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3 total messages Started by Steve Franklin Tue, 06 Dec 1994 22:42
Super-Selected Flesh-Eating Bacteria ?
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Author: Steve Franklin
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 22:42
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Quick question for you,

   In light of Bouchard's problem with the streptococcal bacteria, I was
wondering about the following theory I've had:

If someone has strep throat, they take antibiotics to fight it. Now, in most
cases people take the antibiotics through to the end, and kill off the
problem. But, some don't finish the drugs, because they think their symptoms
are gone. Then, when the disease hits them again, they're surprised and go
back to the doctor for another dose. However, they have implemented
Darwinian selection nicely, because the more resilient bacteria have made it
through the first "wave" of biological warfare that antibiotics waged. 

This is a reasonably well known concern - antibiotics breeding stronger
disease and bacteria. However, even if the people do take the antibiotics
through to completion, the stronger bacteria will live in the host the
longest, making them more likely to be communicated to other individuals...

Now suppose that a strain of bacteria starts in an individual, and undergoes
the selection process of scenario one repeatedly, continually being knocked
down, then climbing back up... It seems quite reasonable to conceive that
this strain will become quite resilient to antiobiotics, and being such a
selective population of bacteria, may not resemble the original bacteria
from which it was spawned. If you take a large number of people, and remove
all people over 6'4, chances are that you will have a group of people that
are better at basketball than the 'average' person, statistically. Is this
possible with the streptococcal bacteria as well? 

Perhaps this usually 'peaceful' bacteria can undergo such hyper-accelerated
selection that it becomes incredibly strong and resistant to anti-biotics,
and at the same time, it's nature changes due to its very specific selection
criteria? 

The question then would be - how come this super-strain doesn't spread all
over and nuke us all in a giant plague? Well, it would seem possible to me
that as the nature of the bacteria changes, so too would it's means of
transmission. If the bacteria prefers to get into your bloodstream and
tissue, rather than into your throat and lungs, then transmission of the
bacteria becomes more difficult - they lose their airborne advantage, and
require transmission via open wounds. 

Is there any possible truth to any of this, or is it all garbage? I'm
completely ignorant in this field, so forgive me for having fun with
something I know nothing about. Please CC email to me with any thoughts or
criticisms you might have.

  Steve Franklin
Re: Super-Selected Flesh-Eating Bacteria ?
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Author: SQUID QUEEN
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 1994 18:07
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	I'm not the most qualified person to answer this, but I'll try...

franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:
> 
> Quick question for you,
> 
>    In light of Bouchard's problem with the streptococcal bacteria, I was
> wondering about the following theory I've had:
> 
> Perhaps this usually 'peaceful' bacteria can undergo such hyper-accelerated
> selection that it becomes incredibly strong and resistant to anti-biotics,
> and at the same time, it's nature changes due to its very specific selection
> criteria? 
	This sounds like what happened with the tuberculosis bacteria recently,
where a super-resistant strain turned up in the US (was it New York?) and was
killing people who contracted it, because none of the "standard" drugs worked
and it was more virulent as well.

> The question then would be - how come this super-strain doesn't spread all
> over and nuke us all in a giant plague? Well, it would seem possible to me
> that as the nature of the bacteria changes, so too would it's means of
> transmission. If the bacteria prefers to get into your bloodstream and
> tissue, rather than into your throat and lungs, then transmission of the
> bacteria becomes more difficult - they lose their airborne advantage, and
> require transmission via open wounds. 
	Hmm...good question...HIV is very virulent, but it also requires 
some exchange of body fluids to pass from one host to another.  Is it 
possible that the more virulent a bacteria gets, the more "delicate" it
gets with regards to transmission?  Seems not completely unlikely to me,
but I am not a virologist/bacteriologist....

Jennifer
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Re: Super-Selected Flesh-Eating Bacteria ?
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Author: Joachim Dagg
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:12
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#Nice speculation about the functional reason:#

franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:

>The question then would be - how come this super-strain doesn't spread all
>over and nuke us all in a giant plague? Well, it would seem possible to me
>that as the nature of the bacteria changes, so too would it's means of
>transmission. If the bacteria prefers to get into your bloodstream and
>tissue, rather than into your throat and lungs, then transmission of the
>bacteria becomes more difficult - they lose their airborne advantage, and
>require transmission via open wounds. 

If the pathogen can only reach its goal (survival, reproduction,
spreading> by killing its host, selective pressure to become more
virulent will be on it. It may (mustn't> than eventually extict itself
with a hyper-sensitive host. But if it can spread from one living host
to the next, coevolution may lead to a more avirulent pathogen and a
more tolerant host. There is one example, where the avirulent
vaccine-strain has spread on the cost of the virulent form, but I
don't know the english name for it <`Pocken' in german>.

#Here comes a speculation about the historical reason:# 
  
Assuming this type of coevolution happened to streptococcal bacteria,
the virulent form might be a kind of atavism, or the relict of the
virulent strain. 

P.S.: I want to thank, though I did it already via e-mail, Peter W.
Pappas for his answer, officially. 
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