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Re: Police RoadBlocks/Checkpoints

#357
From: Richard Collins
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:44
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"gman" <gman99@canada.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Good luck proving the officer did not have "reasonable and probable
> > grounds".
>
> I think you watch too much TV...unless you are a known criminal you
> shouldn't have anything to worry about. I'm quite confident that if I
> ever had to go to court and challenge a police officer that my word
> would suffice.

well, I'm not sure what planet you're curently occupying.... but it is far
more likely the Court would accept the statement of the officer over yours.
Your statement would be "self-serving", while his (arguably) would not.

> If you are a convicted criminal or otherwise shady
> character then you probably wouldn't make it through court.

I guess you don't understand the legal system. Assuming a "perfect" system,
the fact that I have a criminal record _cannot be used_ to determine
innocence or guilt in a matter before the Court.

> Contrary to popular belief, cops aren't out to harass people in general.

No-one said they were. They're also not stupid. If they pull you over, they
will have already addressed the "probable cause" issue in their own minds
and concluded that something you did (or failed to do) was sufficient
"cause" for further action.

> I've
> been pulled over before, I got one ticket and one warning. I didn't
> get pissed, I was clearly in the wrong both times....I've been pulled
> over at road blocks several times...no problems, even had an expired
> safety sticker once...4 days expired...politely told me to get it
> taken care of.

What's your point?

> If you are driving a motor vehicle you can be pulled over at any time
> at the discretion of a peace officer so that they can verify your
> liscense / registration / insurance and safety...no excuse necessary !

Wanna bet?

Hint: the business of RIDE (the drunk-driving blitz that occurs annually)
went to the Supreme Court for a ruling. That ruling was positive - the
police may stop vehicles as part of RIDE - but not _every_ vehicle - though
they do not need specific "probable cause" in the selection of vehicles to
stop. Now, if they had the "right" to stop a vehicle "without cause" to
check license, registration, etc, the RIDE case would never have gone to the
Supremes in the first place.
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