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Article #377Re: Police RoadBlocks/Checkpoints
From: Richard Collins
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 03:49
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 03:49
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"Frank E. Spencer" <romstar.orion@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:EaPL9.2032$A17.87194@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > > > > I'm curious. By what means do you think we have the right to change > > > > government? > > > > > > By any means necessary. > > > > > Illogical. The "government" in that case would be picked by the guy with > the > > greatest firepower. > > Well, I don't think that would be the result at all. There is nothing > illogical about it. You _don't_ think that advocating change "by any means necessary" would necessarily mean "might is right"? > Further, if we today rose in arms against the government, who has the most > fire power? Are you claiming that mlitary coups have never happened? > Unless something radical happens, and the people on the government side > agree with the people, the only way to beat the government in armed conflict > is by guerilla means. As you well know, in the eyes of some people that > makes the people terrorists. I've given you an (obvious) example above that shows that's not true. > I can think of another group that fits this bill perfectly, the founding > fathers of the USA. > > Often times, people in power use force to protect that power. In that event, > the force must be met with force when peaceful change is no longer possible. > The greatest firepower argument assumes that the fight is not for freedom, > but only for someone else's personal power. Of course it is. What did you expect? That the only people who wanted "change" are good, law-abidng, caring for the rights of others people? And it's not "often times". It's "always".
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 105b91,5dc2844d329f1549 X-Google-Attributes: gid105b91,public X-Google-Thread: fbdd9,5dc2844d329f1549 X-Google-Attributes: gidfbdd9,public X-Google-Thread: f7b9c,5dc2844d329f1549 X-Google-Attributes: gidf7b9c,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-12-17 19:55:58 PST From: "Richard Collins" <r..collins@sympatico.ca> Newsgroups: dal.general,hfx.general,ns.general References: <_JJK9.226388$C8.631533@nnrp1.uunet.ca> <Y3ZK9.5947$cN6.231329@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> <3DFC9A64.3E631690@w3source.net> <fo3qvug5ltuahpjq2foapob4sett457se5@4ax.com> <3DFD1453.97796E77@w3source.net> <8ocqvu8asdkad834sd28fda8u78spog8kq@4ax.com> <3DFD3A3A.58BC80CA@w3source.net> <3s1svucpnhv2ttoeqmig4lghcdl2d1k0ki@4ax.com> <k5qL9.557$A17.17719@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> <hwvL9.2677$pS6.530150@news20.bellglobal.com> <EaPL9.2032$A17.87194@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Subject: Re: Police RoadBlocks/Checkpoints Lines: 47 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <IgSL9.3309$iQ3.786871@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:49:18 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.230.54.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1040183464 64.230.54.93 (Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:51:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:51:04 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-08!supernews.com!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone.bc.net!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail