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"Hawknoah" <hawknoah@comcast.net> wrote in
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> In the last 2-3 weeks, I have suddenly developed an allergic reaction
> when I drink wine (red or white doesn't seem to matter). This is not
> good news, because drinking wine is one of my favorite things-- I have
> tried organic wine with supposedly fewer sulfites added and had the
> same allergic reaction. My question is: does anybody know of a store
> in the area that sells sulfite-free wine? Or better yet, can someone
> recommend such a wine that's available around here? I don't want to
> spend a fortune on it since this is really an experiment to see if
> it's indeed the sulfites I'm allergic to or something else.

Not sure about who sells them or labels to watch for, but note that 
sulfites occur naturally in wines, so you're probably going to have to 
experiment a bit.  The link below has some nice information:

http://wine.about.com/library/encyc/bl_sulfite.htm

-- 
Archie

-- Archie Warnock                       Internet: warnock@awcubed.com
-- A/WWW Enterprises                    http://www.awcubed.com
--       As a matter of fact, I _do_ speak for my employer.

Thanks for the information- I question whether it's indeed the sulfites
since my symptoms are mainly bad congestion (to the point where it's
painful) more than headaches, so I guess I need to experiment. Maybe I need
to drink some plain grape juice to see what that does. I would hate to have
to eliminate wine from my routine.

"Archie Warnock" <awarnock@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Hawknoah" <hawknoah@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:vqWdnSspZs3Ni2jdRVn-hQ@comcast.com:
>
> > In the last 2-3 weeks, I have suddenly developed an allergic reaction
> > when I drink wine (red or white doesn't seem to matter). This is not
> > good news, because drinking wine is one of my favorite things-- I have
> > tried organic wine with supposedly fewer sulfites added and had the
> > same allergic reaction. My question is: does anybody know of a store
> > in the area that sells sulfite-free wine? Or better yet, can someone
> > recommend such a wine that's available around here? I don't want to
> > spend a fortune on it since this is really an experiment to see if
> > it's indeed the sulfites I'm allergic to or something else.
>
> Not sure about who sells them or labels to watch for, but note that
> sulfites occur naturally in wines, so you're probably going to have to
> experiment a bit.  The link below has some nice information:
>
> http://wine.about.com/library/encyc/bl_sulfite.htm
>
> -- 
> Archie
>
> -- Archie Warnock                       Internet: warnock@awcubed.com
> -- A/WWW Enterprises                    http://www.awcubed.com
> --       As a matter of fact, I _do_ speak for my employer.

Hawknoah <hawknoah@comcast.net> wrote:
>Thanks for the information- I question whether it's indeed the sulfites
>since my symptoms are mainly bad congestion (to the point where it's
>painful) more than headaches, so I guess I need to experiment. Maybe I need
>to drink some plain grape juice to see what that does. I would hate to have
>to eliminate wine from my routine.

Try a variety of European wines.  Most of the European winemakers aren't
directly adding sulfites after fermentation, although they are still
sulfur-smoking barrels which produces a similar effect.  You might especially
try some of the German whites.

Definitely try plain grape juice in a couple varieties.

You might also try taking a lick of some sodium sulfite and see if that
brings the thing on.  Ask your local homebrewing store for "campden tablets."
Used to be you could get it at a camera store too, but these days nobody
mixes developers from reagents any more.
--scott

-- 
"C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Thanks for the good ideas-- I guess I specialize in Australian and
California wines, although French and Italian reds I have had recently have
done it too. I have a bottle of Reisling-- not my favorite, but perhaps it
would be less bothersome. I've also been taking Claritin since this has
happened, maybe once it really builds up in my system it will help as well.

"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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> Hawknoah <hawknoah@comcast.net> wrote:
> >Thanks for the information- I question whether it's indeed the sulfites
> >since my symptoms are mainly bad congestion (to the point where it's
> >painful) more than headaches, so I guess I need to experiment. Maybe I
need
> >to drink some plain grape juice to see what that does. I would hate to
have
> >to eliminate wine from my routine.
>
> Try a variety of European wines.  Most of the European winemakers aren't
> directly adding sulfites after fermentation, although they are still
> sulfur-smoking barrels which produces a similar effect.  You might
especially
> try some of the German whites.
>
> Definitely try plain grape juice in a couple varieties.
>
> You might also try taking a lick of some sodium sulfite and see if that
> brings the thing on.  Ask your local homebrewing store for "campden
tablets."
> Used to be you could get it at a camera store too, but these days nobody
> mixes developers from reagents any more.
> --scott
>
> -- 
> "C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Hawknoah" <hawknoah@comcast.net> wrote in
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> Thanks for the information- I question whether it's indeed the
> sulfites since my symptoms are mainly bad congestion (to the point
> where it's painful) more than headaches, so I guess I need to
> experiment. Maybe I need to drink some plain grape juice to see what

Shoot... I get congested from a lot of red wines, too.  I don't think 
<fingers crossed> it's a sulfite allergy.  My understanding is that the 
allergic reaction is more vasoactive - flushed color in the cheeks and 
headaches (particularly if you're migraine-prone).

My suspicion has always been that the congestion is more due to my own 
sensitivity to molds than anything else.  I'm willing to live with it, 
since the alternative is to drink less wine ;-)

-- 
Archie

-- Archie Warnock                       Internet: warnock@awcubed.com
-- A/WWW Enterprises                    http://www.awcubed.com
--       As a matter of fact, I _do_ speak for my employer.

"Lots of people complain that they can't drink red wines without getting 
a headache or feeling ill.  Usually, they blame the sulfites in the 
wine.  We're not doctors or scientists, but we can tell you that red 
wines contain far less sulfur than white wines.  That's because the 
tannin in red wines acts as a preservative, making sulfur dioxide less 
necessary.  Red wines do contain histamine-like compounds and other 
substances derived from the grape skins that could be the culprits. 
Whatever the source of the discomfort, it's probably not sulfites."

McCarthy, E. & Ewing-Mulligan, M. (1998) "Wine for Dummies, 2nd 
Edition," Hungry Minds, Inc., New York, NY.  p. 14.

I've learned, to my dismay, that one can develop allergies at any 
time--that some can develop in adulthood.  If these two writers are 
correct, then perhaps you are having one reaction to sulfites in white 
wines and a reaction to something else in the reds.  Let's hope that 
whatever is ruining your enjoyment ceases to be a problem!

Now, who's got a killer sangria recipie?

I use:

1 bottle of Gamay Beaujolais
12 oz OJ
12 oz sprite or 7-up
cut fruit--whatever is ripe or available

The advantage of this recipie is that it's easy to find the ingredients 
on the spur of the moment, and it requires very little measuring.  Plus, 
I just like it.

-- Damon

In article <YqSdnaR2-YuBtGrd4p2dnA@comcast.com>,
damon  <damonriley@DONTSPAM.alumni.umass.edu> wrote:
>
>Now, who's got a killer sangria recipie?
>
>I use:
>
>1 bottle of Gamay Beaujolais
>12 oz OJ
>12 oz sprite or 7-up
>cut fruit--whatever is ripe or available

Ever made this with a Durian?
Adam
-- 
Adam Finkelstein
adamfATradixDOTnet

no-- but where can I get one?

Adam Finkelstein wrote:
> In article <YqSdnaR2-YuBtGrd4p2dnA@comcast.com>,
> damon  <damonriley@DONTSPAM.alumni.umass.edu> wrote:
> 
>>Now, who's got a killer sangria recipie?
>>
>>I use:
>>
>>1 bottle of Gamay Beaujolais
>>12 oz OJ
>>12 oz sprite or 7-up
>>cut fruit--whatever is ripe or available
> 
> 
> Ever made this with a Durian?
> Adam

Adam Finkelstein <nobody@nullcity.net> wrote:
>damon  <damonriley@DONTSPAM.alumni.umass.edu> wrote:
>>
>>Now, who's got a killer sangria recipie?
>>
>>I use:
>>
>>1 bottle of Gamay Beaujolais
>>12 oz OJ
>>12 oz sprite or 7-up
>>cut fruit--whatever is ripe or available
>
>Ever made this with a Durian?

No, but my friend Marla mixes red wine with pina colada mix and calls it
a "Vino Colada."  Surely it can be no worse than a durian pseudo-sangria made
with soda.
--scott

You'll have to excuse me, I must get my stomach pumped now.
-- 
"C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article <cdgiaa$of8$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

>No, but my friend Marla mixes red wine with pina colada mix and calls it
>a "Vino Colada."  Surely it can be no worse than a durian pseudo-sangria
>made with soda.
>
>You'll have to excuse me, I must get my stomach pumped now.


Ouch. Yeas that sounds extremely nauseating. Durin sangria would be close.

Durians, from the "Yellow Book", Lonley Planet Guide:
"South East Asia On A Shoestring"


   "Durians look like shit, smell like shit and taste like shit."


I had the pleasure of riding overnight through Sumatra on a bus with a load
of Durians in the back. They indeed smell like shit. Like dirahea.

I tried Durian ice cream and Durian dumplings while over in S.E. Asia.
Their taste was like a combination of piss and warm beer. The smell
of piss and the taste of warm beer.

YUM!

Adam
-- 
Adam Finkelstein
adamfATradixDOTnet