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Article #1017Re: Aggressive Driving
From: Joel Garry
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:00
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:00
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On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 06:45:14 GMT, E. Faubion <in@the.sig> wrote: >Dennis.Jensen@dwt.csiro.au (Dennis Jensen) wrote: > >>Earl, with these tests, were you braking with fully locked wheels in the >>non-ABS car? > >I've run deceleration tests in both? Have you? > >>A very basic rule of thumb for rubber on bitumen would be (for >>the case of typical materials used in road and tyre construction-please note >>the deliberate defining of conditions) is a CoF of 1.0 static and 0.8 kinetic. > >Based on tests or a swag? > >>Earl, it could be because lawyers do not have much of a clue about physics. > >Most don't. They don't need to. They hire people like me instead of >a physicist with no investigative experience. Something to do with >credibility in front of the jury or some such thing. > >And I did read the rest of your lengthy post but, unfortunately, I've >no time to answer it point for point. I will point out that I've run >a number of skid tests, both with and without ABS and on many types of >road surfaces and in varying weather conditions. ABS does offer >better braking but the difference in the c.o.f. isn't as high as some >people think. Its strongest asset is in retaining the driver's >ability to steer during hard braking. > >>But if you went to court using a figure of 0.7 CoF to >>state that I was doing 80mph, and not 70mph, I would destroy your case. > >I take it your brother doesn't do many P.I. cases. We work with a >range of numbers, not an absolute. No, you would not destroy my case, >you would confirm it. Engineers and physicists and other specialists >are great in their fields but it is an error to assume they can step >in and do an exhaustive investigation into a serious crash. In this >field experience is king. > >Here's a neat little summation written by an attorney who is also an >ex-cop. > >====== begin quote ============== > >Whores and Advocates 101. > >The defense attorney is an ADVOCATE for his client. > >The plaintiff attorney is an ADVOCATE for his client. > > >Whores and Advocates 201. > >The prosecutor (city/state/federal attorney) is an ADVOCATE for his >client. > > >Whores and Advocates 301. > >The experts may present the evidence in their clients best light > > >Whores and Advocates 401. > >The POLICE are the ONLY ones CHARGED with seeking the TRUTH. I guess this is right. Judges aren't interested in the truth. > > >Whores and Advocates 501 (POST-GRADUATE LEVEL). > >The POLICE are the only ones without a client. They MUST be >IMPARTIAL. They seek only the TRUTH. Wow, I always thought society was the police's "client." Now we know they are above the law. > Now show us the whores. >=========== end quote =========== > > >email address can be found at: >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/6123/ -- These opinions are my own and not necessarily those of Information Quest or Pebble In The Sky http://www.informationquest.com mailto:jgarry@nospameiq.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/joel_garry Remove nospam to reply. mailto:joel_garry@compuserve.nospam.com "See your DBA?" I AM the @#%*& DBA!
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fb1cb,a813ba40692ae7c2 X-Google-Attributes: gidfb1cb,public X-Google-Thread: 1038e3,a813ba40692ae7c2 X-Google-Attributes: gid1038e3,public X-Google-Thread: 1011e5,a813ba40692ae7c2 X-Google-Attributes: gid1011e5,public X-Google-Thread: 10001a,a813ba40692ae7c2 X-Google-Attributes: gid10001a,public X-Google-Thread: 10e16d,a813ba40692ae7c2 X-Google-Attributes: gid10e16d,public X-Google-Thread: f4d80,a813ba40692ae7c2 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4d80,public From: joelga@pebble.org (Joel Garry) Subject: Re: Aggressive Driving Date: 1998/07/09 Message-ID: <slrn6qae6g.jd5.joelga@pebble.org> X-Deja-AN: 369983351 References: <359ca0eb.61392126@news.okc.oklahoma.net> <359CD681.9E5E062B@compuservecom> <359d283c.7205650@news.okc.oklahoma.net> <359DAC09.6EA0E1F9@pop.site1.csi.com> <359dd6b4.51876808@news.okc.oklahoma.net> <danthman-0407981321100001@dt064n50.san.rr.com> <359ea814.17087485@news.okc.oklahoma.net> <359F1594.9BB@see.my.sig> <359f210f.7127081@news.okc.oklahoma.net> <6ns7m3$29c_001@dwt.csiro.au> <35a3141c.50248876@news.okc.oklahoma.net> Organization: Natural Surrealist Light Peoples Party High Speed Transport Division Reply-To: joelga@nospam.pebble.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 14:40:10 PDT Newsgroups: dc.driving,rec.autos.driving,misc.legal,alt.law-enforcement,seattle.general,ca.driving