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E. Faubion wrote:

>grimrod@mindless.com (Brandon Sommerville) wrote:
>
>>Very interesting, Earl.  I would assume someone as intelligent as you
>>would realize that looking at raw fatality numbers is absolutely
>>meaningless.
>
>Unless Brandon does it,  yeah right.

When have I ever claimed that fatalities stood on their own?

>>But regardless of my opinion (what with me being a moron and all),
>>from the report itself:
>
>>"Due to the current unavailability of full vehicle miles traveled
>>(VMT) and other data, it is not known how increased travel on higher
>>speed roads, shifts in travel, and other traffic safety factors,
>>(e.g., changes in alcohol involvement, belt use) or various economic
>>factors (e.g., fuel consumption, roadway maintenance, travel time) may
>>have contributed to an estimated increase in Interstate fatalities and
>>economic costs."
>
>You don't get it do you?   The disclaimer is on the first page of the
>body right next to the very line I quoted when first mentioning this
>document.   How on earth can you think it destroys my views while
>supporting yours?   

I never said it supported my views.  I said it proves nothing.  As
such it doesn't support your position that lower speed limits save
lives.  It doesn't destroy your position, I just find it remarkably
humourous that you are using a report that warns you it is
inconclusive to prove that speed kills.

>Good grief man, wake up!   At least now we know
>how you got your lead foot.  A little surgery will remove all those
>bullets.

Speaking of shooting oneself in the foot, who is the one touting a
report that warns you it proves nothing as proof that higher speed
limits are dangerous?

>Now read a little further... try page 7.

Actually, the page you want is 8 (pretty sad when I have to hold up
your side too, Earl).  It's still absolutely meaningless without the
VMT.  If the VMT went up by 5%, then that negligible increase in
actual fatalities is in fact an improvement in road safety.  The
report defends neither of our views, it just provides the NHTSA with a
sound bite claiming that there were more fatalities, which you
apparently bought into in a big way.
-- 
Brandon

"Spooooooooooonnnnn!"