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E. Faubion wrote:

>grimrod@mindless.moc (Brandon Sommerville) wrote:
>
>>All estimates.  There is no point in discussing it or using it as
>>"proof" of anything until hard numbers are available. 
>
>Of course not.  Heaven forbid we discuss things like real deaths
>caused by speeding of which literally thousands of such approved
>reports reside in every state's accident files.  

Discussing the number of deaths out of context is just plain stupid.
Yes 350 more fatalities occurred.  Yes Interstate fatalities were up
by 9%.  The reason I refuse to commit this report as proof is the fact
that if the VMT didn't go up by 9% then you may be correct, but if it
went up by 10% or more, then the roads were actually safer.  Even the
NHTSA won't make the claim that speed causes every speed related
accident, they list it as a factor.  Big difference.

>I hereby challenge
>Brandon to find one listing speeding as the cause and get it
>overturned.   You backed out of the other challenge.  This one is as
>easy as it gets pal.  Get crackin' or back down, the choice is yours.

Heh, you really make me laugh sometimes, Earl.  You post "proof" that
warns you it doesn't prove anything and then get all upset when people
tell you that, and now you're flailing about demanding that I prove
something I've never claimed.  Very sad.

I have never claimed that excessive speed is not dangerous.  I have
never claimed that excessive speed doesn't kill people.  What I have
claimed is that excessive speed and exceeding the speed limit aren't
the same thing.  To demonstrate that I am wrong, Earl, you simply need
to prove the correlation between the number of people exceeding the
speed limit and the number of speed related fatalities on Interstates.
Simple, no?
-- 
Brandon

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