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In article <1992Sep15.180949.23745@linus.mitre.org>
woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke) writes:
 
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>In article <1992Sep15.135520.23409@hfsi.uucp> ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep14.202832.17114@linus.mitre.org> woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep11.165834.6721@hfsi.uucp> ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Sep10.134253.22715@linus.mitre.org> woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke) writes:
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>>Are you saying that you don't want to spend a little more money on
>>a car so that you can have a less polluting car?  Dan, I'm suprised
>>and shocked! :)
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>No, I am not saying that. What I was saying is that there are some
>people out there who do not earn a "living wage" and so buy whatever
>car they can afford. If it happens to pollute, so what. I understand
>this line of thinking since we don't have an adequate mass transit
>system.
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>I think you don't realize that even if we did have an adequate mass
>transit system the inertia of the single occupant car will continue.
>People do not care about the environment unless it doesn't cause them
>inconvinience (or maybe too much inconvinience).  We now all recycle
>like good boys and girls, but we still pollute in order of leaving for
>work when we want to. It won't matter to any of those folks on the two
>lanes of the toll road. They don't care whether they pollute or save
>money. All they care about is having their car so they don't have to
>sacrifice 30 minutes to carpool. (which they loose in congestion).
>
Dan, you are offering opinions not only about people's behavior, but also about
their underlying motivations and concerns, and, worst of all, you offer these
opinions as if they were absolute facts. What do you really know about people's
concerns for the environment, their relative priorities on inconvenience
vis-a-vis environmental concerns, and whether the only cost for them to carpool
is 30 minutes?
 
How on Earth can you know what does and does not matter to
"any of those folks on the two lanes of the toll road?" How can you sweepingly
announce that "They (i.e., the people on the two lanes of the toll road) don't
care whether they pollute or save money."
 
For that matter, what do you know, if anything, about the effects the Toll Road
HOV lane has had on pollution? (Is there more or less than there was before?)
 
Other posters have pointed out that the demographics underlying Toll Road usage
are somewhat different than other local roads. A variety of sources (the Boards
of Supervisors of Loudoun and Fairfax, several local congresspeople, people in
the media, and LOTS of commuters, for example) are suggesting that this just
may be a bad application of a generally good idea. Toll Road congestion is up,
accident rates may be as well, and people like you are adamantly clinging to
notions like: Single-passenger commuters are bad, evil, uncaring, intentionally
disdainful of viable alternatives, and deserve what they're getting, so sock it
to them! Maybe that's not the way it really is ...
 
>John, if the Sterling Commuter Bus started running to Tyson's Corner
>would you take it when time would allow?
>
>Thank You,
>
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>woycke@mitre.org, woycke@smiley.mitre.org
 
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Joe Gems
The MITRE Corporation