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Started by John Ata FSO
Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:00
"Letter to the Editor" from Chariman of Fairfax Supervisor
Author: John Ata FSO
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:00
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:00
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In case you missed the September 2, 1992, edition of The Reston Times, here's a reprint of the "Letter to the Editor" from Supervisor Ernest J. Berger. I find it interesting and significant that the Chariman of the Farfax County Board of Supervisors has seen the light. Perhaps something now will get done... ============================================================================== Berger: Timing on Dulles HOV bad To the editor: The Virginia Department of Transportation's decision to retain the HOV-3 restrictions on the Dulles Toll Road comes at a very bad time. The cars on the Toll Road are currently moving well. It is very unfair to commuters who pay to use the toll road and who patiently waited through delays during two years of construction. The toll road users pay to use all of the road, not just two-thirds of it! Every transportation expert I know agrees that the HOV lane on the toll road is going to be underutilized. The enforcement of the HOV rules will be difficult to impose as throughout the length of the toll road, traffic merges from both the left and the right lanes on and off the Airport Access Road. Lastly, this will be the only toll road in the United States that has lane restrictions. To me, it's simple, if the people pay to drive it, they should get to use it....period! Unfortunately, the HOV lanes were to be implemented on September 1. But it's not too late! I'm still holding out hope that General Assembly actions next year can remove the HOV-3 restriction. As chairman of the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors Transportation Committee, I intend to seek official board support at our next meeting asking VDOT to rescind the HOV-3 until the General Assembly can meet to decide this issue next January. Your help is needed to make this happen. Please write or call my office with your support for removing the HOV-3 restrictions on the third lane. Only with an outpouring of citizen support will we succeed. My office address is 1437 Balls Hill Road, McLean, VA 22101, and our phone number is 356-0551. Please let me hear from you. Ernest J. Berger, Chairman, Fairfax County Board of Supervisors, Transportation Committee LOCAL CITIZENS GROUP Citizens Against Dulles HOV 481-2520 They're looking for Volunteers!! (Volunteer Meeting on September 21, in Sterling, VA) LOCAL NO. VA. POLITICIANS Chairman of the Transportation Committee VA Senator Waddell 771-2540 Delegate Linda Wallace 777-1191 Delegate Callahan 356-1925 Delegate William Mimms 777-6820 U. S. Congressman Wolff 734-1500 RICHMOND, VA POLITICIANS VA Secretary of Transportation - Request that he suspend HOV pending futher analysis. Secretary John Milliden (804) 786-8032 9th St. Office Bldg., Room 607 Richmond, VA 23219 Gov. Douglas Wilder Request that he call the General Assembly into a Special State Capitol Session before January Richmond, VA 23219 (804) 786-2211 Commissioner of the Commonwealth Transportation Board Ray Pethtell (804) 786-2701 Richmond, VA Deputy Director to the Governor for Constituency Affiars Andy Stross (804) 786-2211 Richmond, VA End of article. -- John G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet: ata@hfsi.com HFS, Inc. VA20 | UUCP: uunet!hfsi!ata 7900 Westpark Drive MS:601 | Voice: (703) 827-6810 McLean, VA 22102 | FAX: (703) 827-3729
Re: "Letter to the Editor" from Chariman of Fairfax Supervisor
Author: John Ata FSO
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:24
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:24
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In article <1992Sep15.150041.23804@hfsi.uucp> ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes: >In case you missed the September 2, 1992, edition of The Reston >Times, here's a reprint of the "Letter to the Editor" from >Supervisor Ernest J. Berger. I find it interesting and >significant that the Chariman of the Farfax County Board of >Supervisors has seen the light. Perhaps something now will get >done... It has been brought to my attention that Supervisor Berger is the Chairman of the Transportation Committee, Fairfax County Board of Supervisor, not the Chairman of the Board itself. I apologize for that mistake and the spelling. -- John G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet: ata@hfsi.com HFS, Inc. VA20 | UUCP: uunet!hfsi!ata 7900 Westpark Drive MS:601 | Voice: (703) 827-6810 McLean, VA 22102 | FAX: (703) 827-3729
Re: "Letter to the Editor" from Chariman of Fairfax Supervisor
Author: Alexander H. Grabowski <ahgrabow...
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 16:33
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 16:33
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In article <1992Sep15.150041.23804@hfsi.uucp> ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes: >In case you missed the September 2, 1992, edition of The Reston >Times, here's a reprint of the "Letter to the Editor" from >Supervisor Ernest J. Berger. I find it interesting and >significant that the Chariman of the Farfax County Board of >Supervisors has seen the light. Perhaps something now will get >done... > >============================================================================== > > >Every transportation expert I know agrees that the HOV lane on the toll road >is going to be underutilized. Sure, because nobody is willing to start *thinking* and stop using the old one car/one person -strategy. Is it *so* difficult or *so severe* a loss of personal freedom to carpool? I think, in beside the installation of HOV-lanes (which are standard in many countries) it might be a good idea to rise the proce for gasoline to $5 to $7 per gallon (as it is in many European countries). If people don't react to logical (environmental) arguments, make them pay for the damage they cause by excessive use of combustion engines. > > >Unfortunately, the HOV lanes were to be implemented on September 1. But >it's not too late! I'm still holding out hope that General Assembly actions >next year can remove the HOV-3 restriction. > Yeah, I agree. Unfortunately . . . Should have done this 15 years ago. But keep on tryin.
Re: "Letter to the Editor" from Chariman of Fairfax Supervisor
Author: Kelly Pedersen
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 17:01
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 17:01
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In article <1992Sep17.163313.14437@apgea.army.mil> ahgrabow@apgea.army.mil (Alexander H. Grabowski <ahgrabow>) writes: >Newsgroups: dc.driving >Path: nocusuhs!nmrdc1!crdec8.apgea.army.mil.!ahgrabow >From: ahgrabow@apgea.army.mil (Alexander H. Grabowski <ahgrabow>) >Subject: Re: "Letter to the Editor" from Chariman of Fairfax Supervisor >Message-ID: <1992Sep17.163313.14437@apgea.army.mil> >Organization: ATE1 S7=255 S11=55 V1 X1 S0=0 >References: <1992Sep15.150041.23804@hfsi.uucp> >Distribution: dc.general,dc.driving >Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 16:33:13 GMT >In article <1992Sep15.150041.23804@hfsi.uucp> ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes: >>In case you missed the September 2, 1992, edition of The Reston >>Times, here's a reprint of the "Letter to the Editor" from >>Supervisor Ernest J. Berger. I find it interesting and >>significant that the Chariman of the Farfax County Board of >>Supervisors has seen the light. Perhaps something now will get >>done... >> >>============================================================================== >> >> > >I think, in beside the installation of HOV-lanes (which are standard in >many countries) it might be a good idea to rise the proce for gasoline to $5 to $7 per gallon (as it is in many European countries). > In which other countries are HOV lanes standard. I have never found them in any other country.
Re: "Letter to the Editor" from Chariman of Fairfax Supervisor
Author: Lawrence Mulvihill
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 18:52
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 18:52
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In dc.driving, ahgrabow@apgea.army.mil (Alexander H. Grabowski <ahgrabow>) writes:
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>I think, in beside the installation of HOV-lanes (which are standard in
>many countries) it might be a good idea to rise the proce for gasoline to $5 to
> $7 per gallon (as it is in many European countries).
>
Sounds wonderful to me!
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Re: "Letter to the Editor" from Chariman of Fairfax Supervisor
Author: Gene Gotimer
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 20:57
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 20:57
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rdc00a@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Kelly Pedersen) wrote: >In which other countries are HOV lanes standard. I have never found them >in any other country. I believe I have seen them in countries in Europe, but I can't gaurantee it so I won't mention any there. However, when I lived in Singapore in Southeast Asia, an entire section of the city (actually all of the commercial sector of the city) was HOV-4. You had to have a permit to drive there during certain hours (I think 8AM-4PM, most of the day anyway) with 4 people in the car. This permit was quite expensive. It was enforced, and fines were quite stiff. On the other hand, the bus system was excellent, and the country isn't big enough to make for long bus trips between any two points. -- **************************************************************** ** Gene Gotimer gotimer@oasys.dt.navy.mil ** ****************************************************************
Re: "Letter to the Editor" from Chariman of Fairfax Supervisor
Author: Brian S. Lev
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 20:08
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 20:08
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In article <25191@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, gotimer@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Gene Gotimer) writes... >rdc00a@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Kelly Pedersen) wrote: >>In which other countries are HOV lanes standard. I have never found them >>in any other country. > >I believe I have seen them in countries in Europe, but I >can't gaurantee it so I won't mention any there. > >However, when I lived in Singapore in Southeast Asia, an entire >section of the city (actually all of the commercial sector >of the city) was HOV-4. You had to have a permit to drive >there during certain hours (I think 8AM-4PM, most of the day anyway) >with 4 people in the car. This permit was quite expensive. > >It was enforced, and fines were quite stiff. On the other hand, >the bus system was excellent, and the country isn't big enough >to make for long bus trips between any two points. There's also a *major* difference in views of personal freedom and personal rights between the different societies. After living in Europe for a couple of years, I can't imaging U.S. citizens putting up with the powers given to even the local gendarmeries... but neither can I imagine European drivers putting up with lane restrictions. As for Singapore, we're talking about a society in which chewing gum -- even bringing it into the country! -- is illegal; I suspect that a Singaporean's view of personal rights vs. the individual's responsibility is different from ours. As for the HOV mess on the Dulles road... I live in Maryland, but if someone told me I had to pay both taxes and tolls for a road but could only use a specific part of it, I'd do my best to both change the ruling _and_ vote the guy out of office. It's not a matter of being environmentally nasty or of being so devoted to my personal car that I can't or won't carpool, but the requirements of my job make it _very_ difficult, and I just don't relate to the idea of paying public funds for something that's only semi-public. -- Brian +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Brian Lev/Hughes STX Corporation 301-286-9514 FAX 301-286-5152 | | Goddard Space Flight Center DECnet: SDCDCL::LEV | | Science Network Office, Code 930.6 TCP/IP: lev@dftnic.gsfc.nasa.gov | | Greenbelt, MD 20771 USA BITNET: LEV@DFTBIT | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "The ability of a network to knit together the members of a sprawling | | community has proved to be the most powerful way of fostering scien- | | tific advancement yet discovered." -- Peter Denning | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | FREEDOM IS NOT FREE | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Re: "Letter to the Editor" from Chariman of Fairfax Supervisor
Author: Lawrence Mulvihill
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1992 14:25
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1992 14:25
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In dc.driving, lev@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian S. Lev) writes:
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>As for the HOV mess on the Dulles road... I live in Maryland, but if someone
>told me I had to pay both taxes and tolls for a road but could only use a
>specific part of it, I'd do my best to both change the ruling _and_ vote the
>guy out of office.
But Brian, lad, you can use all the lanes, you just need 2 other
people in your car!
Note the difference between this resriction and those which limit
access during certain times of the day to residents only. The
latter is more restrictive, yet it is legal.
>It's not a matter of being environmentally nasty ...
Your right! It is unpatriotic.
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