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"Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote:
> 
> In article <aep05q$bfs$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>, dkl8321@mindspring.com
> says...
> 
> >     And how many billions in taxes would Americans be saving
> > by not having to provide for the health, education, and
> > welfare of immigrants?
> 
> How many billions are we spending on that now?  Please provide a
> verifiable number.
> 
> Hint: the Hal Turner show is not "verification".

Hi, Jeffrey:

From http://www.bordercounties.org/ which is the US/Mexico Border Counties
Coalition site.

<quote in-part from "execsum.pdf">

("This project was supported by Grant Number 2000-IJ-CX-0020 
awarded by the National Institute of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, 
U.S. Department of Justice. Points of view in this document
are those of the authors and do not necessarily represent 
the official position or policies of the U.S.
Department of Justice. This document has not undergone the 
National Institute of Justice Review
process and should not be considered final in its current version.")

INTRODUCTION:
THE BURDEN FALLS ON COUNTIES
Just before the Christmas holiday in 2000, 
a team of 20 soldiers arrived in Douglas, Arizona to
improve border roads. The month before, National Guardsmen 
had worked to extend the steel wall separating the United States 
and Mexico. Beyond the 12-foot-high steel fence, Border Patrol agents
reinforced fortifications of remote motion sensors, video and 
infrared cameras, sky towers and high-intensity
lights that extend for more than 10 miles on either side of Douglas. 
By the end of the year, the number of Border Patrol agents assigned 
to the Douglas station had increased by 300, bringing
the total to 1,000 agents. Are these measures suggestive of 
renewed fervor in the "War on Drugs"?
The prevention of smuggling into the United States is, 
indeed, the goal of these holiday maneuvers, but the target is 
not so much illicit drugs as it is undocumented persons. 
The Arizona-Mexico boundary is the busiest border in the country, 
and the Douglas-Naco corridor in Cochise County is
the prime choice for entering illegally. Even the U.S. military 
is getting involved in illegal immigration. In January 2001 
the U.S. Army began flying helicopters to assist the U.S. Border
Patrol in searching out and capturing illegal immigrants. 
More than 616,000 illegal-immigrant apprehensions were made in 
Fiscal Year 1999-2000, an increase of 100,000 over the previous years,
and this number does not include illegal immigrants turned back 
or deterred, or the thousands that
slipped through and became absorbed into U.S. society.


In New Mexico's border counties, the five district courts a
re swamped with caseloads that are more than 
four times the national average. The county's law enforcement 
and criminal justice system is overwhelmed with illegal immigrants 
who are apprehended at the border for possession of drugs in
quantities too small to meet the unofficial threshold required for 
federal prosecution. Says U.S. Senator Pete Domenici, 
"We desperately need new judgeships if our courts are to 
keep pace with the skyrocketing incidents of criminal activities 
along our southern border." And in Hidalgo County, Texas, 
juvenile border crossers run through RV parks to steal bicycles 
and other things. Residents of RV parks now patrol their own park, 
make apprehensions, and call the sheriff.


A small portion of this number of illegal immigrants, 
as well as of the immigrant population residing
illegally or entering legally to work every day, 
gets caught committing a state felony or two or more
misdemeanors. When they are apprehended on a state offense, 
they are not deported. Rather, they enter the county 
law enforcement and criminal justice system and undergo 
the adjudication process just as any U.S. citizen or legal visitor would. 
In the last few years, Congress and the media have addressed 
the financial burden on state and county prosecutors of 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
processing drug smugglers, a federal crime, but 
public and congressional awareness of the financial burden on county
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
governments of detaining and adjudicating criminal illegal immigrants 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
is only beginning to emerge.
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Moreover, when illegal immigrants are injured, give birth or die, 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
they receive emergency medical care or autopsies and burials 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
at local expense. U.S. senators and representatives from 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
the southwestern states that share the border with Mexico
Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California  have begun 
introducing legislation to address this growing financial impact. 
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The 1995 State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP), which
partially pays county detention facilities for detaining 
criminal illegal immigrants, is illustrative of these efforts. 
The federal government exercises exclusive control over 
immigration policy; states and county governments have 
no control over the flow of immigrants into their border communities.

[...]

Costs of providing services to illegal immigrants also 
accrue to municipal police departments, state
agencies, public and private hospitals, border county 
Indian tribes, and other counties farther north,
but determining those additional costs is beyond the 
scope of this study. In fact, many would posit
that hospitals bear a much greater uncompensated cost burden 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
than county law enforcement,
criminal justice and indigent health care departments do. 
As Senator Kyl again noted, "Numerous hospitals have documented 
the overwhelming costs they incur to provide emergency medical
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treatment to undocumented aliens. Hospitals are bound by law 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
to treat all those with emergency medical conditions. 
When they medically treat illegal immigrants they should be reimbursed for
those costs." (Note that estimates for the burden on hospitals 
will be forthcoming. Senator Kyl shepherded a bill 
authorizing funding for a study to document medical care costs 
in border states; it was signed into law by President Clinton in December
2000.)

</quote>

Jeffrey, these costs are very well-documented.

A slightly dated copy of all of the hard figures, per-State, are archived at
http://www.earthops.net/immigration/bordercounties/

It's really amazing, these counties are being not only overrun but being
financially devastated, it's all very well documented, and people like you
are saying that it's not happening and that if it is happening it's not
documented. You are wrong on both counts and you should inform yourself now
that you have been presented with Federal studies which tend to confirm our
position on the matter.

To summarize, you asked for cites, here they are. 

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