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Fabrikant is often a pretty disgusting character, but on at least one point,
he's right and you are wrong, "Researcher."  The Soviet Union was formed at
the end of the FIRST world war and not the second.  The government of the
Soviet Union was in control of most of the territory of what ultimately
became the Soviet Union by 1922 or thereabouts with the treaties formally
annexing Ukraine, Belarus and so forth.  Historians generally give Lenin
blame for the famine in Ukraine, for example; if it wasn't part of the
Soviet Union then they couldn't do so.

The Soviet Union continued to EXPAND after that date.  Moldavia was annexed
in 1940 (though it had previously been part of Imperial Russia and Romania
took it as a war prize after the first World War) and Tajikistan was annexed
in 1929, Kyrgyzia in 1936 and so on.

Germany recognized the Soviet Union in 1922, the US in 1933.  The 20 million
figure we hear is -- all historians agree -- nothing more than a guess.  It
does NOT include the many millions dead in the famines before the war, in
the forcible relocations before the war, or in the purges and "show trials"
in 1936 (mostly).  Those were part of another group, likely as large or
larger than the number who died during the war.

The German Nazi army wasn't a nice tidy group of gentlemen, and they
slaughtered millions in addition to the 7+ million in uniform.  Many
millions more died from starvation, disease, etc. directly attributable to
the war.  So many died that the 20 million figure can only ever be a guess,
but it's as fair a number as any and it relates specifically to the war.

Possibly more interesting, though, is Fabrikant really a murderer?  And do
killers now get their own e-mail connections in our prisons?


"Researcher" <Catwails@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:B%hy7.55447$5h5.24670447@news3.rdc2.on.home.com...
> No Asshole, you can't make things up and sell them as fact, but I guess
> being a Professor in prison for quadruple murder has rotted your brain to
> match your soul.
>
> Lets have the real facts....
>
> Russia (because the USSR was not formed yet) had an Army of 12,500,000 and
> lost 7,500,000 during WORLD War II.
> America had a Army of 12,300,000 and lost 292,000 during World War II.
>
> Well Russia may have lost 14,000 people a day, but not from War. Of that
20
> million you love to banter around, 7,500,000 people were killed by
Germans,
> and 12,500,000 were killed by Stalin's purges just after the war. So you
> used the wrong figures asshole.
>
> I would say it proves a few things....American combat forces are the best
in
> the world, they take the fewest causulties.
> And if America knew what its objectives were during Vietnam, it would have
> likely been a democracy for a long time now.
> I would think it sends a clear message to all nations...."DON'T TRED ON
> ME"!!!!
>
> Now, even though AMerica had the lowest death rate of all forces, and
> provided 7,300,000 of the 11,000,000 troops that was the Allied forces,
the
> only ones to have a better kill rate, was in fact the Nazi Germany. I mean
> even they only lost 3,500,000 people, and with all the fronts they fought
> on, they must have gotten a 10 to 1 kill rate on the Russian Front,
because
> even if every German soldier that was killed died on the Russian Front, it
> would still be a 2 to one kill rate.
>