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klaatu wrote:
> 
> Keith A. Glass wrote:

> > klaatu wrote:
 
> > > Horrible formatting for unreadability fixed.
 
> > Deal with it, pinkboy <g>
 
> Hey, I'm not a Pink! In fact I demand my Slack.

Talk to Stang, not me. . .   Hail Bob !

> > > Keith A. Glass wrote:
> > Levity. . . you do recall "levity", don't you ???
 
> I'm actually trying to be serious. Which all things considered is probably
> levity.

<arched eyebrow.  Serious ??  YOU????>

> > > And the fact of the matter is, dc.general (or whatever) is assuredly the place
> > > to talk about who's running for office, mostly because it will be their
> > > policies that will shape the city, and thus it's absolutely germane to the
> > > topic. To be fair, such discussions should be cross-posted to dc.politics and
> > > where-possible follow-ups to dc.general should be removed once the discussion
> > > moves from substantive issues and into simply sniping and bickering.

> > Klaatu: words have MEANING.  Clearly, if I wanted to post something
> > about DC-area politics, dc.politics would be the venue of choice. . .
>
> Sure, but who'd read it if you put it in the right place? <grin>

Maybe if people would post in appropriate areas, USENET could be much
more
useful.  Ya think ???

> > > > 2. Cross-posting policy:  If it's of general interest to DC area netizens,
> > > > specifically, then it's not likely that it will be of similar interest to other
> > > > groups, with the exception of perhaps va.general, md.general, and balt.general.
> >
> > > mont.general and pg.general (or whatever) gets excluded? Why?
> >
> > 1. Wasn't aware of them.
> 
> They're there, though actually it's md.mont and md.pg, etc blah.

Ah.  Never really looked at the md.* hierarchy. . .  no real interest,
as I've lived
exclusively in Virginia since moving here. . .
 
> > 2. I would still suggest the 4-crosspost maximum.  I've also had
> > wv.general suggested as a cross-post group. .

> 5 NG is the spam-standard I think. But it's not unreasonable, really.

Uh, TRAVID uses the 5-group standard, that's why SWBELL.NET won't stop
him/her...

> > > Also, we quite-commonly get top-quality posts from misc.arts.urban-transit or
> > > wherever it is. And also from alt.law-enforcement, and if law-enforcement
> > > isn't a regional issue, I don't know what is.

> > I said "not likely", not "will not be accepted. . ."
 
> this presupposes a very flexible 'bot or one busy moderator or mod-board.

See the rev. 2 draft standard. . 

> > > > Hence, a limit of 3 other groups may be listed on a post to dc.general.moderated.
> > > > Furthermore, to limit extraneous cross-posts and net.trolls, if a post is
> > > > cross-posted to ANY *.politics group, or an alt.fan.* group of a non-DC-area
> > > > personality, or any talk.* group, it will automatically be excluded.

> > > Why? Besides becauase you don't like Rush Limbaugh. (I don't like him either,
> > > but some of the better posts I've ever seen have been people arguing _against_
> > > dittoheads.)
> >
> > Because I'd like to see a USEABLE group.  But as long as we kept the
> > 4-group limit,
> > I'd say drop it.  I was floating a first, trial balloon. . .
> 
> And of course we're out in force with the pea-shooters!

Some of them felt more like atomic mortars. . . 

> > > > 3.  There will be two moderators on dc.general.moderated: either may approve
> > > > a post for forwarding to the group.
> >
> > > Ah. You propose the creation of a Cabal. Who will be the Cabal? shall the
> > > membership of the Cabal be open, or occult from view?
> >
> > Actually, I was thinking in terms of you and Dave Aronson for starters,
> > I've also had an offer of robomoderation. . . .
> 
> Me? Bwa!! Hahahah! The voice of reason and moderation and thoroughly
> unsusceptable to  -um. Folding money? for me? why thank you. Sure I'll look
> the other way while you press the delete key...
 
> Dave might be good. Maybe a triumvirate would be a better idea. Or maybe a
> system where there's a 'bot that culls on general standards and then passes
> marginal things to three moderators, and waits for responses and either scraps
> or posts on a 2-out-of-three rule.

Too late, Dave said no, and I get mad too fast.  Methinks a bot, for
starters,
and decide from there. . . 

> > The news-admin community isn't an issue here, it's the admin of the dc.hierarchy
> > that comes into play here.  I had merely suggested it, to conserve
> > bandwidth: when you effectively take a group moderated, you wipe the original. . .

> Well, for one, the bandwidth isn't much of an issue unless you're running an
> intermediate news spool on a 9600-baud modem in batch mode. And actually, the
> news.admin groups cover all news administrators, and since dc.* heirarchy is
> propagated worldwide (or mostly so) it would probably be more of an issue of
> newsgroups proliferation and drivespace. Since the groups would be moderated,
> and messages propagated from wherever the acceptance 'bot is running,
> dc.general.moderated would be a fairly small group. But this is more of an
> issue of UseNet Philosophy. Of course we could always drag the Grubor/Fluffy
> War into this but for now let's keep it mum.

Old habit.   Conserve the Bandwidth. . .  from the days before the
AOLization 
of the Net. . .

> > The future is moderated groups, if for nothing else than to cut down the
> > noise level from spams. . .
 
> Believe it or not, spam is sort of taking care of itself - also check
> news.admin.net-abuse.misc and wade through a gazillion messages and see the
> Supersedes versus Repost War.

Trying not to. . .   <g>

> > > We might want to crosspost this discussion to news.admin.net-abuse.misc from
> > > here on in, to get some of the net.luminaries in on the discussion, to get
> > > dc.general removed you'll probably wind up dealing with some of them anyways.
> >
> > Why ???  We've tried dealing with abuse at various providers, I spent a
> > week asking followups and trollers to remove dc.general from the followups, and
> > got mostly flamed for asking for civilized behavior.
> 
> Hey, at least we haven't got Meowed or a Supersedes Spew. You should see what
> just happened to a few other groups recently. Now _those_ are examples of
> uncivilized behavior. Mostly what we get here is a failure to observe manners.
> Try doing what I do, think of these guys as mostly-harmless clowns, either
> ignore them or laugh at them or throw rotten produce at them. Personally, I
> like to mail javascript.

Nah.  I have a 3-meg datafile, which is passworded, and encrypted using
3 separate
systems.  The Ultimate Garbage File.  Never had to use it. . .

> > As far as this goes, I get flamed a few more times, I might just drop
> > this too, and let dc.general get what it deserves. . .
 
> Um, BTW, if I'm flaming, I'm not flaming you, please pardon me if that's the
> impression you got, I just feel required to get up on the revolutionary
> soapbox and raise cain anytime I hear about retromoderation, etc. Plus I
> should cut back on either caffeine or posting at 7AM.

It was the private flames and mailbombing that got me all ornery
yesterday....