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Mark wrote, in an article coming from a bogus user at a non-existant
site bearing all of the standard path and posting-host (not to mention
the indicative Forte Free Agent and idsonline login information as
follows, tending to indicate tht this is simply another Joe the Troll
alias (see included path headers, etc.:

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> 
> packer@cais.cais.com (Charles Packer) wrote:
> 
> >In article <3285287D.2203@ids2.idsonline.com>,  <dan@ids2.idsonline.com> wrote:
> >>   I would greatly appreciate other thoughts, comments, and suggestions.  I
> >>think that Klat's newsgroup idea is great.
> 
> I think any idea coming from Klaatu should automatically be considered
> suspect.   Do we really need another newsgroup for him to lord over?
> He churns out a staggering amount of daily fear, loathing, and
> paranoia as it is.

And you try to cover it up and pretend it's impossible.

> 
> If one reads enough of his posts here, one gets the impression of the
> metropolitan area as a place where you can't walk a block without
> being jabbed in the neck in the grocery store with drug-coated
> needles, or "smacked upside the head," or unwittingly dosed with
> ketamine (as far as I can tell, a fictional drug.)  I can only imagine
> what he'd do with a group called "dc.crime."

try to get more people involved, which is clearly what you most fear.

As for this "fictional" drug Ketamine - As mounted at
http://www.clark.net/pub/klaatu/ketamine1.html

Also find more information as to various "assault drugs" (which
imaginary though they might be, have recently been given a minimum
_Federal_ penalty of 20 years for their use in the commission of a
crime), please see

http://www.clark.net/pub/klaatu/rohypnol.html The Rohypnol Page
http://www.clark.net/pub/klaatu/burundanga.html The Burundanga Page.

I guess you really want this information suppressed? Go for it, you'll
only have to kill two distinct domains who might not take it very well.

Ps, the above-cited pages have been getting about 500 hits a week for
the last four months and the secret's out. So much for "fictional".

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> (notes, this is culled from an archive of a listserv, and some of the headers have been lost. I have
> no idea who the author of this first article is. TJH)
> 
> 
> My note on Ketamine raised some response from the net, and I
> thought I would respond to mind-l in general, as well as to the
> specific folks who were curious.
>   
> 
> *IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER*  I am a scientific PhD, not a physician
>                         Neither I nor my employer take any
>                         responsibility for its accuracy or
>                         possible use.
> 
> 
> First, ketamine is in current use as both a veternary and a
> human anesthetic.  It is called "dissociative" in action, which
> means that the mind is "separated" from the body.  In many
> cases, this separation results in profound hallucinations and
> the sensation of entering another reality.  In human use, a
> benzodiazapine like Versed is generally used along with
> ketamine to induce amnesia concerning the "emergence
> reactions".
> 
> 
> The most easily obtained reference about ketamine is
> the Physicians Desk Reference.  Under the heading "Ketalar",
> this gives a great deal of information about the drug.  Of
> course, since this is a general medical reference, much of the
> info of interest to mind-l is not present, but it should be
> read anyway.  
> 
> 
> Perhaps the most important property of ketamine is that,
> despite the induction of both anesthesia and dissociation, the
> cough and gag reflexes *USUALLY* are not affected.  This means
> that, contrary to most other agents which will produce
> anesthesia and/or unconsciousness, it is very unlikely that a
> person using ketamine will aspirate their own saliva and other
> excretions.  This is *NOT* guarenteed, but is a pretty good
> bet.  Solo use, however, remains dangerous.
> 
> 
> Ketamine is generally available for non-medical uses as
> ketamine hydrochloride.  Some major chemical houses carry it at
> a cost of about $10/gm.  I don't know if there are other
> sources which are cheaper, or if the veterinary form is easily
> available.  
> 
> 
> Dosages are discussed in the PDR, but are generally in the
> range of 100-500 mg.  Conventional useage is intravenous or
> intramuscular, but "recreational" use is apparently more often
> through insufflation (snorting) or solution ingestion.  These
> latter approaches are probably only effective with the
> hydrochloride form, but the reported doses are similar to the
> conventional medical doses.
>   
> 
> 
> As in all such experiments, if you must do this, be sure of
> your materials and start slow, with small doses separated by
> enough time to really come back to Earth between experiments.
> 
> 
> Mahalo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Message-ID: <185302Z23111993@anon.penet.fi>
> Newsgroups: alt.drugs
> From: an49019@anon.penet.fi (the ticktockman)
> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 18:47:29 UTC
> Subject: Re: Ketamine trip
> 
> >I tried to get some info from the net gurus as to what a correct dosage of
> >Ketamine would be, but never got a response.  So I guesstimated, and took
> >4 mL of Ketaset (equal to 400mg Ketamine HCl).  I had an empty stomach.  I 
> >took it orally, pouring it down my throat with a spoon -
> >I had heard that it tasted awful, which it did, so I avoided my tongue,
> >and chased it down with an immediate mouthful of orange.  No problem.
> 
> FWIW, a friend of mine who does K regularly insists that the _only_ way to do
> it is intramuscularly (i.e., once you try it that way, you will always want to
> do it that way). He says an optimal dose this way is 100 mg (ml). It puts him
> in a state where he is completely divorced from his body and is projected into
> some astral plane as pure consciousness. He says you could drag his body up and
> down the stairs while he is in this state and he would have no idea that this
> was happening. To him, doing K this way is as close as he can come to dying
> without dying, and it is always a beautiful, wondrous experience. He claims
> that taking it orally produces nowhere near as intense an experience, but you
> seem like you had a really excellent trip. I've never done the stuff myself,
> just thought I'd pass along this second-hand account for anyone interested ...
> 
> the ticktockman
> 
> 
> 
> From: squest@moonwatcher.avrtech.com (Steve J. Quest)
> 
> Newsgroups: alt.drugs
> 
> Subject: Ketamine.
> 
> Message-ID: <763499976.85snx@moonwatcher.avrtech.com>
> 
> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 94 19:19:36 GMT
> 
> 
> In article  magnuson@sscnet.ucla.edu writes:
> 
> >
> >Does anybody know about this? I wonder: what do we have to tell vetinarians as
> >to our pets' symptoms to get them to prescribe ketamine? How expensive is it?
> >What's the recommended dosage for us humans? Any warnings from those who have
> >done it? Any other sources besides vets? Can you advise it? etc., etc.
> 
> 
> Ketamine HCl, available as 100mg/ml injectable under the trade name Vetalar
> (Parke-Davis) and Ketaset (Bristol) is used in veterinary work as a general
> anesthetic. The dosage used produces analgesia but with normal pharyngeal and
> laryngeal reflexes. It only causes mild respiratory depression. The advantage
> of this anesthetic is that you don't need to support respiration while
> performing any procedures. This allows for a one-man operation. It is so widely
> used in the Veterinary profession that I don't think abuse will cause it to be
> discontinued, but I can see that it will one day be serialized and accountable
> as a controlled substance (as all barbituates currently are).
> 
> If you think that you will be able to go into a vets office and say that you
> are going to anesthetize your cat, forget it. They only use this drug for their
> surgical procedures, there is no reason why anyone would need to buy this drug.
> Think about stealing the drug instead, or fake that you are a vet and purchase
> them from a wholesale drug supplier. Vet pharmaceuticals are not watched by DEA
> all that much, and the distributors are very lax. At least they were when I was
> in the business.
> 
> 
> Ketamine is chemically 2-(2-Chlorophenyl)-2-(methylamino)- cyclohexanone.
> Vitamin K's are naphthoquinones. Not the same thing! Too much vitamin K and you
> will give yourself a stroke, this is not a recreational drug!
> 
> Ketamine is used as a human and animal anesthetic. Vets use it for cats or any
> small animal and reptiles. I can't say what an IM (intra- muscular) injection
> is like, but an IV injection is very similar to when someone takes a crowbar
> and smacks you as hard as they can to the base of your skull! Don't be standing
> up when you do this, you will hit the floor hard! Better yet, be in an easy
> chair, you will immediately lose all body control, very frightening to say the
> least. Experiment with a few mg at a time. The insert states that the
> recommended dosage for anesthesia (5 to 10 minute duration) is 2mg/kg. A 70kg
> adult would then use 140mg or about 1 and a half CC's of injectable for a 10
> minute duration of anesthesia. Of course it is the coming OFF not the going ON
> that is where all the wierd stuff occurs. Medically these are called emergence
> reactions, but I call them hallucinations! :) If being awake and paralyzed
> doesn't scare you, the hallucination is cool. If it frightens you, or if you
> become frightened, you will snowball into a very bad trip. Mood is everything
> on Ketamine, and like all recreational drugs, after you have used it a few
> times, you get a feel for it and are not so apt to be frightened by it. For
> those who have smoked angel dust (PCP; HOG; Phencyclidine) the effects are
> about the same, only you retain less awareness while under Ketamine. I can
> definately say that you want to take a dosage about 1/4 the recommended dose to
> not totally go into anesthesia, but just dangle around the half conscious
> state. A very cool feeling! :) For me it is about 40mg injected IV with a
> tuberculin syringe (1cc 27g 1/2). A little more for a little deeper, but going
> all the way into anesthesia is not all that special, you can't really think or
> remember while under the full dose, I don't recommended it on your first try.
> Always have a health care professional available while you try this to maintain
> your airway should you have a negative reaction to the drug. As with all
> noxious chemicals, you will feel like shit for several hours after the
> experience, especially if you try to walk, carry on a conversation, or do any
> activity that requires mental clarity. BE CAREFUL! Learn about anesthesia
> before attempting to play with anesthetic drugs................sq
> 
> 
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> From: crow@CSOS.ORST.EDU (Corey Green)
> Newsgroups: alt.drugs
> Subject: Excellent Ketamine Read
> Date: 27 May 1994 16:29:12 GMT
> Message-ID: <2s574o$gup@jadzia.CSOS.ORST.EDU>
> 
> An excellent book on Ketamine is called "Journey's to the bright side" I'm
> failing to remember the author's name but she also wrote the "Seth speaks"
> books. Journey"s is completely about her experience's with "K" it seem's that
> her husband was an anasthesiologist and regularly dosed her.The story goes that
> she eventually started going to the same familier place or dimension and
> meeting certain beings.She acually started a therapy group called Samadhi,I
> believe in Seattle.The book is facinating,though it was out of print when I
> found it in 1979.Unfortunatly she was murdered in Seattle.Her husband believe's
> because she was writing an expose' on a local satanic cult,apparently they
> never found her head.Anyway John Lilly the "Dolphin guy" has some pretty
> amazing stories about "K" also.The same kind of experience"s as Journey's.
> Find your way back, crow.
> 
> 
> 
> From: paul.rossouw@digitec.co.za (Paul Rossouw) 
> Newsgroups: alt.drugs
> Subject: Ketamine
> Message-ID: <5580.206.uupcb@digitec.co.za>
> Date: 24 Jul 94 22:56:00 GMT
> 
> "Is this the famous stone that turneth all to gold?"- asked the editor of the
> journal Anesthesia 26(2) 1971.
> 
> The search for a safe general anesthetic led pharmacologists in 1963 to the
> phencyclidines (CI-395, PCP, Sernyl, and congener CI-400, cyclohexamine).
> Although producing adequate anesthesia, there were marked trance-like psychotic
> reactions. Further research led to ketamine, first introduced by the U of
> Michigan in 1965, which produced less prominent psychotic reactions.
> Parke-Davis mass-produced it (CI-581, Ketalar) as a safe general anesthetic,
> with rapid onset and recovery and a wide margin of safety, and it was
> extensively used in the Vietnam War.
> 
> Ketamine produces what is called a "dissociative" anesthetic state, meaning
> ego-mind is split or dis-associated from body-reality. Aka OBE, astral
> projection, soul travel, xtc, etc. Yes, back in the hospital beds, the patients
> were coming round and bringing reports of the most amazing trips ....
> 
> How do you feel today Mrs Brown?
> 
> - Well, Doc. I was floating up on the ceiling, looking down at myself.. 
> - I died and went to Heaven. I saw God and the angles, it was beautiful. 
> - This UFO landed and these aliens took me aboard and we flew around. 
> - Everything was red. Then I realized I'd become a blood cell... 
> - I relived a previous life as an Egyptian mathematician. 
> - Wow, man. That was some mean acid you gave me. 
> - What the fuck chemical did you give my little baby, Doktor. 
> 
> Medics aren't trained in metaphysics, so they labeled these peculiar
> experiences as "emergent phenomena" and K began getting very bad press. How can
> we control these horrible hallucinations, they asked themselves. What other
> chemical can we give to our patients so that they'll remember nothing of this?
> Of course, the solution was obvious. Treat patients like humans, not product.
> Tell them that they are going to trip. Explain what might happen. Give them
> tips to cope with any problems. When they come round, leave them alone in a
> quite place to recover, etc. A study was done showing that this was an
> effective way of reducing adverse patient reaction. It was largely ignored.
> 
> Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it - various
> versions available.
> 
> 
> Paul
> 
> ---
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> 
===========================================================================> 
> o KETAMINE ('Vitamin K', 'Special K')
> 
> 
>    //\
>   //  \    CH
>  |    ||  |  3
>  |    ||  |
>   \\  /\  N--H
>    \\/  \/
>     |   /\  O
>     Cl /  \//
>       |    |
>       |    |
>        \  /
>         \/
> 
> Ketamine is chemically related to PCP ('Angel Dust').  PCP, a
> dangerous American street drug rather than a psychedelic, is
> characterized by resulting in frequent bad trips, psychotic reactions
> and extreme violence in its users.
> 
> But Ketamine appears to be much safer than PCP.  It is still used in
> human medicine unlike PCP.  Currently Ketamine ('Ketalar') is a
> prescription only medicine rather than a controlled drug in Britain.
> It is a powerful drug used as a general anaesthetic, which  has some
> strange psychedelic effects when used at low doses (25-100mg).  The
> usual medical form is a liquid when it is injected intramuscularly.
> American street users heat the liquid to obtain a white powder which
> is smoked or snorted.  Ketamine may be ineffective when taken by mouth
> - although one report from Denmark claims it to be orally active at
> the 200mg level with the effects becoming apparent slowly.
> 
> The effects are stronger and  more profound than acid but last only an
> hour or so.  The subject should remain still.  Experiences of the mind
> leaving the body and floating in space, or even death are common.  Bad
> trips are supposed to be absent but there are serious dangers
> following heavy use.  Dr John Lilly and his fellow researchers have
> used the drug continuously for weeks.  Several believe themselves to
> have contacted alien intelligences and two committed suicide.
> Although non-toxic (unlike PCP) it appears to have potential for
> psychological dependency.  K has been used in experimental psychotherapy.
> 
> In 1991 reports have emerged of K usage by the nightclubbing
> fraternity in New York.  This practice has now spread to London where
> K is available for about 100 pounds per gram.  I am rather surprised
> by this since clubbers tend to go for stimulating drugs rather than
> those sedative in nature.
> 
> =============================================================================
> 
> Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
> From: bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William E. White )
> Subject: Re: Special K refs ?
> Message-ID: 
> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 01:12:29 GMT
> 
> In article ,
> Part-Time Cosmic Baby  wrote:
> >Does anyone know if there is abuse potencial for Special K ?
> 
> Yes.  There is.
> 
> >Any long/short term toxicity ?
> 
> Short term -- yes, it has acute toxicity; like most NMDA/sigma agents, it
> can suppress respiration in sufficient quantities.  I don't know the LD50.
> Long term -- don't know.  Possible rebound excitotoxicity on NMDA receptors
> if you use it too often -- would would lead to general functional loss,
> possibly concentrated in areas of memory.
> 
> >How does it work in the brain ?
> 
> It acts upon several neuroreceptors:
> 
> 1) The NMDA receptor (an excitatory amino acid receptor), where it blocks
>    neurotransmission by lodging in the open configuration, preventing ion
>    influx/outflux.
> 2) The sigma receptor, where it acts as an agonist
> 3) The PCP2 receptor, where it acts (with micromolar, i.e., not much,
>    potency) to block a reuptake channel.
> 
> >If this is the case, then it may explain why people may contact alien 
> >inteligences while on K, maybe becase it facilitates that sort of extreme 
> >mental projection of seeing things from an alien's point of view.  
> 
> Perhaps.  Of course, keep in mind that the sigma receptor is thought to
> be involved in schizophrenia (accounting, unlike the dopamine receptor,
> for both the positive and negative symptoms), and sigma activity has
> been associated with drug-induced psychosis.  YMMV.
> 
> -- 
> |  Bill White   +1-614-594-3434     | bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu             |
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> 
> =============================================================================
> 
> From: George Greer <76555.1137@CompuServe.COM>
> Newsgroups: alt.drugs
> Subject: Re: Obtaining Ketamine
> Date: 8 Oct 1994 03:49:53 GMT
> Message-ID: <3754t1$d63$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>
> 
> 
> As a psychiatrist, I gave ketamine to about 40 people in the '80's.
> Psychologically it is very safe: even the PDR says there are no lasting
> psychological problems, though somewhat dissociative "flashbacks" have
> occurred. Physically, there is total loss of coordination if you take enough
> (say 1.5 mg/kg, or about 100 mg), so trying to move around can be dangerous.
> Also, if you move your head much while under the influence, it can make your
> very dizzy, nauseous and make you throw up. Ketamine and a non-empty stomach do
> not mix. Also, when given IV it can cause you to stop breathing, so do not try
> this at home. Other contraindications are: high blood pressure (it increases
> blood pressure), heart disease, liver disease (it could take a long time to
> come down), seizures (if you have them, you might have one). The most
> consistent benefit reported by the first 20-40 subjects was that, though they
> had believed that their spirit lasted after their bodies died, after ketamine,
> they knew they would not die with their bodies. Ketamine is now a Schedule III
> Controlled Substance in California, New Mexico, and probably other states.
> 
> George Greer, M.D. 76555.1137@compuserve.com
> 
> 
> 
> =============================================================================
> 
> Message-ID: <213331Z16021995@anon.penet.fi>
> Newsgroups: alt.drugs
> From: an31339@anon.penet.fi
> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 21:29:43 UTC
> Subject: Ketamine facts (was Re: The World according to Ketamine)
> 
> kenneth23@aol.com (Kenneth23) writes:
> 
> >Ketamine is NOT, NOT, (one more time) >>>NOT<<< a tranquilizer!!!  It is a
> >GENERAL ANESTHETIC, used on BOTH humans >>>AND<<< animals, around the
> >entire country, every single frigging day.  If you don't know what a
> >general anesthetic is, look it up.  
> 
> 
> Wow. Once again there's a message by some supercilious fool who is not only
> obnoxious, but wrong. Yes, the above post does go on to sat that ketamine's
> action is dissociative, so that's good. But ketamine is NOT a general
> anesthetic. According to the Ketaset insert "the anesthetic state produced does
> not fit into the conventional classification of stages of anesthesia." It is
> NOT a GENERAL anesthetic. It is a DISSOCIATIVE anesthetic. Analgesic properties
> are not manifest at the lower dosages, where immobility is effected. This is
> why many people, including vets I know (ketamine is used in humans very
> infrequently, as it can lead to rather unpleasurable experiences) refer to
> ketamine as tranquilizer. This is not a completely inaccurate description. In
> fact, it's a hell of a lot closer to the truth than calling it a general
> anesthetic.
> 
> To clear up any possible confusions, here are some exerpts from the Ketaset
> insert. Ketaset is a brand name for ketamine hydrochloride. Ketaset is for
> animal use only, probably due to the way it is prepared. I have not included
> the whole insert. I don't have the time right now, unfortunately. But here are
> some interesting tidbits:
> 
>                                    DESCRIPTION
> KETASET (ketamine hydrochloride injection, USP), is a rapid-acting,
> nonnarcotic, nonbarbituate agent for anesthetic use in cats and for restraint
> in subhuman primates. It is chemically designated
> dl-(o0chlotophenyl)-2-(methylamino) cyclohexanone hydrochloride and is supplied
> as a slightly acit (pH 3.0 to 5.0) solution for intramuscular injection in a
> concentration containing the equivalent of 100 mg ketamine bas per milliliter
> and contains no more than 0.2 mg/mL benzethonium chloride as a preservative.
> 
> KETASET is a rapid-acting agent whose pharmacological action is characterized
> by profound analgesia, normal pharyngeal-laryngeal reflexes, mild cardiac
> stimulation and respiratory depression. Skeletal muscle tone is variable and me
> be normal, enhanced or diminished. The anesthetic state produced does not fit
> into the conventional classification of stages of anesthesia, but instead
> KETASET produces a state of unconsciousness which has been termed
> "dissociative" anesthesia in that it appears to selectively interrupt
> association pathways to the brain before producing somesthetic sensory
> blockade.
> 
> In contrast to other anesthetics, protective reflexes, such as coughing and
> swallowing are maintained under KETASET anesthesia. The degree of muscle tone
> is dependant upon the level of dose; therefore, variations in body temperature
> may occur. At low dosage levels there may be an increase in muscle tone and a
> concamitant slight increase in body temperature. However, at high dosage levels
> there is some dimunition in muscle tone and a resultant decrease in body
> temperature, to the point where supplemental heat may be advisable.
> 
> [...] Although salivation is occasionally noted, the persistence of the
> swallowing reflex aids in minimizing the hazards associated with ptyalism.
> Salivation may be effectively controlled with atropine sulfate in dosages of
> 0.04 mg/kg (0.02 mg/lb) in cats and 0.01 to 0.05 mg/kg (0.005 to 0.025 mg/lb)
> in subhuman primates.
> 
> Other reflexes, e.g., corneal, pedal, etc., are maintained during KETASET
> anesthesia, and should not be used as criteria for judging depth of anesthesia.
> The eyes normally remain open with the pupils dilated. It is suggested that a
> bland ophthalmic ointment be applied to the cornea if anesthesia is to be
> prolonged.
> 
> [...] In studies involving 14 species of subhuman primates represented by at
> least 10 anesthetic episodes for each species, the median time to restraint
> ranged from 1.5 [Aotus trivirgatus (night monkey) and Cebus capucinus
> (white-throated capuchin)] to 5.3 minutes [Macaca nemestrina (pig-tailed
> macaque)]. The median duration of restraint ranged between 20 and 55 minutes in
> all but five species studied. Total time from injection to end of restraint
> ranged from 43 [Saimiri sciureus (squirrel monkey)] to 183 minutes [Macaca
> nemestrina (pig-tailed macaque)] after injection. Recovery is generally smooth
> and uneventful. The duration is dose related.
> 
> By single intramuscular injection, KETASET usually has a wide margin of safety
> in cats and subhuman primates. In cats, cases of prolonged recovery and death
> have been reported.
> 
>                                    INDICATIONS
> KETASET may be used in cats for restraint or as a sole anesthetic agent for
> diagnostic or minor, brief, surgical procedures that do not require skeletal
> muscle relaxation. It may be used in subhuman primates for restraint.
> 
>                                 CONTRAINDICATIONS
> KETASET is contraindicated in cats and subhuman primates suffering from renal
> or hepatic insufficiency.
> 
>                                    PRECAUTIONS
> In cats, doses in excess of 50 mg/kg suring any single procedure should not be
> used. The maximum recommended does in subhuman primates is 40 mg/kg. [...]
> 
> 
> That's all I have time for now, unfortunately. I should note that they provide
> recommended doses for both restraint and "anesthesia that is suitable for
> diagnostic or minor surgical procedures that do not require skeletal muscle
> relaxation" in cats. But for subhuman primates, they provide dosages for
> restraint only. This is because KETAMINE IS NOT A GENERAL ANESTHETIC and should
> not be used as one.
> 
> Thanks for listening,
> 
> Slack





> 
> Mark

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