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Article #115Re: Homeinvasion, shoot to kill?
From: Eric Williams
Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 00:00
Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 00:00
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Ion Storm wrote: > > In article <7ik2sf$2ku$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, USA_First <usa_first@my-deja.com> said: > > >An intelligent person might consider all the possible scenarios and > >plan accordingly. For instance, if I were to encounter a large, knife- > >weilding subject standing 15 feet away who looks at me and begins to > >close that space, I think pulling the trigger might be justified. > >However, discovering a 12 year old crawling back out my window with my > >27" RCA would be legally and morally irresponsible. Don't you? > > what does age have to do with it? in Nam' six-years would walk up to you with > grenades with the pin pulled... If we were living in 'Nam, it might be a reasonable assumption that a 12-year-old was a deadly threat. I doubt that would fly in any state in the US, absent any other aggravating facts. Justification requires a two-step test. First, the person using deadly force has to be genuinely in fear of loosing life or limb. If it can be shown that the person didn't have any such fear (eg: he was standing behind bullet-proof glass, or he knew the attacker's gun was a fake), or if some other emotion (eg: anger) motivated the shooting, then the shooting is not justified. The second step is that that fear must be a reasonable one, not some paranoid delusion or a panicked-induced reflex. The determination is made by the "reasonable man" test: If a reasonable man in the same situation knowing the same facts as the defender would have reached the conclusion that the shootee posed a threat of death or permanent injury, then the shooting was justified. If you can convince a jury that they might have done the same in your situation, you will be aquitted. This is for California and most states. I know Texas, for one, does things a bit differently.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f59be,90e435dcb1781200 X-Google-Attributes: gidf59be,public X-Google-Thread: 10004d,90e435dcb1781200 X-Google-Attributes: gid10004d,public X-Google-Thread: 1044e7,90e435dcb1781200 X-Google-Attributes: gid1044e7,public X-Google-Thread: 10162c,90e435dcb1781200 X-Google-Attributes: gid10162c,public From: Eric Williams <wd6cmu@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Homeinvasion, shoot to kill? Date: 1999/05/27 Message-ID: <374DBF01.9A483C92@earthlink.net> X-Deja-AN: 482873910 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7ihsq7$ovb$2@cubacola.tninet.se> <374C811A.25A692D7@earthlink.net> <374D7712.1DE59A05@hotmail.com> <7iisnd$50n$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net> <374D45B3.E2C70CDB@hotmail.com> <7ik2sf$2ku$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <Qei33.26618$pj7.146395@news2.giganews.com> X-Accept-Language: en X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 27 May 1999 21:54:40 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu May 27 14:55:04 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: dc.talk.guns,talk.politics.guns,tx.guns,can.talk.guns