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Article #2174Re: figures for gun-fetiscists
From: Marcus J Ranum
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 21:10
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 21:10
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[dc.general removed from newsgroups] Doug Humphrey writes: >>> == mjr >>> Crap. If I need to I can make a fuel-propelled hand weapon >>>in a few days. Take away my guns and you haven't disarmed me because > >Do this and you are breaking the law (Manufacture of Destructive >Devices). For that offense they can take your property and freedom. So, what's your point?? I was raising that issue to address the bogus argument that guns are needed for defense against our own government turning on its people and oppressing us. If that comes to pass, then all revolutionaries will already be outside of the law, whatever the law would be in such a situation. >Also, a "fuel-propelled hand weapon" might not be the thing that >you want late at night when someone is coming up the stairs into >your bedroom area... Does it have the level of reliability that >you are willing to bet your life on? You are raising a tangential issue: home defense. I was addressing the topic of defense of the people against government oppression. This is one of the arguments that the less thoughtful victims of NRA propaganda tend to spout. As far as home defense goes, that's the police's job. If they aren't doing a good job of it, then you damn betcha I will complain. Nobody I have ever met has EVER needed or had to use a gun to defend their homes. Sure, examples abound (especially in the "armed citizen" columns of American Rifleman or whatever it is) but I'm unconvinced that people need guns to defend their homes against armed assault. Except, of course, when they're being assaulted by another fun-and-freedom loving gun owner... The easy access American have to deadly weapons is part of the reason that our society anually has so many deaths by those weapons. It's not rocket science. It may not be the only cause, and it may not be the biggest cause, but if you look at our gun-related murder statistics, in comparison with countries that have more restrictions on guns, it's pretty obvious that there's a problem here. IMHO, *part* of the problem we have with guns is the idiots who fantasize about "late at night when someone is coming up the stairs into your bedroom area..." - get a grip, pal. This isn't a James Bond movie. mjr.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10162c,78ab9087c515afbd X-Google-Attributes: gid10162c,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1993-03-17 13:35:21 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!tis.com!mjr From: mjr@tis.com (Marcus J Ranum) Newsgroups: dc.talk.guns Subject: Re: figures for gun-fetiscists Date: 17 Mar 1993 21:10:14 GMT Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. Lines: 48 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1o843mINN4s1@sol.tis.com> References: <1nrm3eINNb05@sol.tis.com> <C40CHH.CCu@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil> <1o81lfINNon0@access.digex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.tis.com