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UNITE! Info #109en: 2/2 'Group NE' confirms own crime
Author: Rolf Martens
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:00
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:00
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UNITE! Info #109en: 2/2 'Group NE' confirms own crime [Posted: 10.08.99] [Continued from part 1/2] II. POSTING BY "VERLAG NEUE EINHEIT" ON 07.08.1999 From: verlag@neue-einheit.com Newsgroups: alt.society.revolution, alt.politics.socialism.mao Subject: NEUE EINHEIT: Liar Rolf Martens - documents and audio-file Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 10:36:34 GMT Organization: Posted via the Nacamar Lines: 225 Rolf Martens: extreme liar Documents and audio-file It is not worth while to go into all details of the endless con- tributions by Rolf Martens. There is one unique point, a bold assertion about the alleged not dealing with the so-called RIM in our organisation, in his so-called Info #105. Here Rolf Martens is asserting the follo- wing: "*Did KPD/ML(NEUE EINHEIT) representatives inform me of the existence of the 'RIM' (Revolutionary International Movement), for instance in 1986/87?* In their 'Internet Statement No. 2/98' on 06.02.1998 - dedicated to trying to explain away the fact that for more than a decade they covered up the 'RIM', saying absolutely nothing about its very existence, even, and flagrantly failing to warn the leftists in Germany and elsewhere against that nasty trap which they, the 'NEUE EINHEIT' people, could clearly make out it was - those persons among other things are maintaining that they 'did' tell me, at least, a 'comrade' of theirs living in Sweden who had been co-operating quite closely with them since over ten years back, about the 'RIM's' existence. They didn't. Neither 'at a certain party conference in late 1986 / early 1987', as they're saying, nor at any time later. I did take part in that conference. But ne- ver during it were such things as the 'RIM' discussed or even as much as mentioned. On this matter, those people really are lying through their teeth." So far Rolf Martens. Fortunately t h e r e a r e r e c o r d s o f t h i s c o n f e r e n c e. The whole conference is o n t a p e. Exactly on the evening of Dec. 30, 1986, it came to a comprehensive discussion about the case of Dietrich Jobstvogt and his withholding of documents of the RIM, the RCP/USA and of the declaration "To the Marxists- Leninists, Workers and Oppressed of all Countries" of 1980 which was the forerunner of the RIM. Rolf Martens himself actively took part in this discussion. Also an event of Dec. 1986 which had been organised by followers of the RIM in Germany, was discussed, and their so-called criti- cism of Mao Zedong's foreign policy, as well as of the Neue Ein- heit because it defended Mao Zedong's policy. This discussion took more than one hour. It comprised in particular complaints by Klaus Sender that he and the organisation as a whole had been informed completely in- sufficiently. As an example from it, in particular remarks by Rolf Martens on the PCP and on the Declaration of 1980 are of interest here, which he makes in a dialogue with Klaus Sender within this ses- sion of Dec.30,1986. Rolf Martens stated concerning this document: **You can listen or download the original German wording as audio-file at our homepage http://www.neue-einheit.com ** (The following is a word-for-word account of the record on tape, Translation, Original German Text see below, text in[] are notes of us) Rolf Martens: It is conspicuous, anyway, that the Par- tido Communista do Peru is not there [taking part in the declaration of 1980]. Klaus Sender: Is n o t y e t there taking part. RM: Yes, n o t y e t. KS: This was at that time, namely 1980. This declaration was issued in 1980, and then none of us did know it. But in 1982 we came upon it for the first time, that is to say, not we [the organisation as a whole], but they [the withholders], and in 1983 intensively. And we did not learn anything about it. They have connections with such people from the surroundings of the TKP/ML there. They have discussions with them. ["They" refers to the heavi- ly criticized representatives , above all Dietrich Jobstvogt.] Rolf Martens: Yes, I think, a point against it, against these here would be that the party in Peru is not taking part, and one has to ask oneself why. KS: No, understand me, that this is abstract, too. Ex- cuse me, but I do not ask with such a booklet at hand the text of which is correct; why in 1980 the PC of Peru [does not take part]. Do you know what the Peruvian par- ty advocated in 1980? I don't. Besides: what kind of a party is this one in Peru in general? Are you certain if it is completely correct? I'm not. RM: Hm, yes. KS: Well, there you are, therefore it cannot be made the yardstick. This is also a distraction. Well, the content of this booklet is correct, compared with the development of then, this is the essential thing about it. And there are after all 1,2,3 [counts spontanously loudly] ... 15 organisations from all con- tinents involved. RM: Yes, it must immediately look important, yes. KS: Even a blind man with a walking stick can see that this is important, and that it actually has to be com- municated without delay. This is not a somehow coloured booklet into which you have to look in order to see that it is important. It is designed so that you cannot over- look it. On the cover the parties are appearing imme- diately. (So far the passage from the tape record of the conference.) This shows that Rolf Martens does know the booklet of 1980 and the immediate RIM-declaration of 1984, as he listened to the whole discussion about the booklets, and here he himself is pointing to the difference of the booklet of 1980 to the RIM declaration of 1984, the aforementioned not comprising the PCP as a signatory, unlike the latter. This remarkable short dialogue within the discussion deserves interest also because of the fact that Rolf Martens already here is directing special attention to the PCP as a yardstick con- cerning the declaration of 1980. Already then, thus, he must have had ideas in this direction, and this is something which completely contradicts his assertions of today, the so-called accusations against our organisation that we had kept him away from the knowledge about the RIM. In connection with the inquiry of occurrences within the revolu- tionary movement during the 80ies, this short remark is indeed interesting. The assertion that Rolf Martens had learnt nothing within our organisation during the whole 80ies about the RIM therefore provably is sheer nonsense. T h i s d e m o n s t r a t e s w h o i s "l y i n g t h r o u g h h i s t e e t h". Editorial Staff of NEUE EINHEIT August 7, 1999 Internet statement 99/23 E-mail: verlag@neue-einheit.com Internet: http://www.neue-einheit.com ------------------------------------------------- neue einheit Zeitschrift fuer Politik, Oekonomie und Kultur ------------------------------------------------- copyright 1999, Verlag NEUE EINHEIT (Inh. H.Dicke) NEW ADDRESS: Mallinckrodtstr 177, D-44147 Dortmund Germany . and D-10973 Berlin, Postfach 360 309 Phone: +49-231-838932 resp. +49-30-6937470 ----------------------- For further information on this matter also look at our impor- tant article "The Development of Our Position Concerning the So-Called 'RIM' (Short Outline)" on our homepage <http://www.neue-einheit.com>. The Dialogue in German: Rolf Martens: Es faellt allerdings auf, dass die Partido Communista do Peru dort [in der Erklaerung von 1980] nicht [dabei] ist. Klaus Sender: Hier n o c h nicht dabei ist. Rolf Martens: Ja, n o c h nicht. Klaus Sender: Das war zu diesem Zeitpunkt, das war ja '80, diese Erklaerung, die ist '80 herausgegeben, und da kannten wir sie alle noch nicht. Aber '82 sind wir eben zum ersten Mal darauf gestossen, d.h. nicht wir [die Organisation als Ganze], sondern eben sie [die Unter- schlager], und '83 intensiv. Und wir haben nichts davon erfahren. Sie haben Beziehungen da zu solchen TKP/ML- Typen. Die diskutieren mit denen. [Gemeint sind schwer kritisierte Vertreter, vor allem Dietrich Jobstvogt.] Rolf Martens: Ja, ich meine, ein Punkt dagegen, gegen diese hier, das waere, dass die Partei in Peru nicht dabei ist und man muss sich fragen, warum denn. KS: Nein, verstehst du, das ist auch abstrakt. Ent- schuldige mal, ich frage doch nicht bei so einer Bro- schuere, deren Text richtig ist: warum ist 1980 die PC Peru [nicht dabei]. Weisst Du, was die Peru-Partei 1980 vertreten hat? Ich weiss das nicht. Ausserdem: Was ist das ueberhaupt fuer eine Partei in Peru? Bist Du sicher, ob die voellig richtig liegt? Ich nicht. R.M: Hm, ja. KS: Na eben, deswegen kann die nicht zum Massstab ge- macht werden. Das lenkt auch ab. Der Inhalt dieser Broschuere ist also, gemessen an dem damaligen Stand, richtig, das ist das Wesentliche. Und es handelt sich immerhin um 1,2,3 [zaehlt spontan laut] ...15 Organisationen aus allen Kontinenten. R.M.: Ja dass, dass es unmittelbar wichtig aussehen muss, ja. KS: Das sieht ein Blinder mit 'nem Krueckstock, dass das wichtig ist und dass das an und fuer sich unverzueglich mitgeteilt werden muss. Das ist keine irgendwie farbige Broschuere, in die man hereingucken muss, um zu sehen, dass das wichtig ist. Es ist so gestaltet, dass das un- uebersehbar ist. Vorne sind die Parteien gleich drauf. [So far that posting] [A posting later the same day with a correction:] From: verlag@neue-einheit.com Newsgroups: eunet.politics Subject: Re: NEUE EINHEIT: Liar Rolf Martens - documents and audio-file Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 14:43:05 GMT Organization: Posted via the Nacamar Lines: 8 A minor printing error correction The addendum in brackets [ ], which is correctly: [Revolutionary Internationalist Movement], belongs to the abbreviation "RIM" in the 4th line, not to the quotation. Ed.Staff of NEUE EINHEIT [So far the "Verlag Neue Einheit" postings] UNITE! / VEREINIGT EUCH! / UNISSEZ-VOUS! / �UNIOS! / F�RENA ER! Info en/de/fr/es/se series: Advocates the political line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong. Each item # will be posted in one or more language(s). Leaflets in the INFORMATIONSBLAD series published by me, mainly in Swedish, since 1975 are available on request. Bef�rwortet die politische Linie von Marx, Lenin und Mao Zedong. Jedes Nummer # wird in einer oder mehreren Sprache(n) gesandt werden. Flugbl�tter der Reihe INFORMATIONSBLAD, von mir haupt- s�chlich in Schwedisch seit 1975 ver�ffentlicht, sind auf An- frage erhaltlich. Avocate de la ligne politique de Marx, L�nine et Mao Zedong. Chaque num�ro # sera envoy� en une ou plusieurs langue(s). Vo- lantes de la s�rie INFORMATIONSBLAD, publi�e par moi principale- ment en su�dois depuis 1975, sont accessibles sur demande. Partidaria de la l�nea pol�tica de Marx, Lenin y Mao Zedong. Ca- do n�mero # sera enviado en una o varias lengua(s). Se pueden conseguir a la demanda volantes de la serie INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicada por me principalmente en sueco desde 1975. F�respr�kar Marx', Lenins och Mao Zedongs politiska linje. Varje nummer # kommer att s�ndas p� ett eller flera spr�k. Flygblad i serien INFORMATIONSBLAD, publicerad av mig huvudsakligen p� svenska sedan 1975, kan f�s p� beg�ran. 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