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Article #218Re: Jews from Germany should return there
From: Pacific Bell
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 08:21
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 08:21
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What???? "Anonymous Coredump" <mixmaster@remailer.segfault.net> wrote in message news:2c20f843d3540d0988f8815e0796a976@remailer.segfault.net... > (Die Juden sollen dahin zur�ckgehen, woher sie kamen) > > Die Welt: The new Intifada is named after the Al-Aqsa Mosque which is > on the Temple Mount. On January 4, the Chief Rabbinate declared that > Jewish Halacha (Religious Law) prohibits "the transfer of sovereignty > over the Temple Mount to foreigners, whether directly or indirectly", > for it is the holiest place for the Jewish people. Four days later, > you declared in a Fatwa that the place is Muslim in its entirety. Is > this an unsolvable contradiction? > Sabri: There is not [even] the smallest indication of the existence > of a Jewish temple on this place in the past. In the whole city, > there is not even a single stone indicating Jewish History. Our > right, on the other hand, is very clear. This place belongs to us for > 1500 years. Even when it was conquered by the Crusaders, it remained > Al-Aqsa, and we got it back soon afterwards. The Jews do not even > know exactly where their temple stood. Therefore, we do not accept > that they have any rights, underneath the surface or above it. > > Die Welt: It is agreed among archeologists that the Wailing-Wall is > part of the foundation of Herod's temple. The Bible and other antique > sources report about this place in detail. Why can't you respect the > Jewish connection to this place? > Sabri: It is the art of the Jews to deceive the world. But they can't > do it to us. There is not a single stone in the Wailing-Wall relating > to Jewish History. The Jews cannot legitimately claim this wall, > neither religiously nor historically. The Committee of the League of > Nations recommended in 1930, to allow the Jews to pray there, in > order to keep them quiet. But by no means did it acknowledge that the > wall belongs to them. > > Die Welt: Why don't you allow Israeli scientists to dig there to look > for possible remnants and proofs for or against the existence of the > Jewish temple? > Sabri: We categorically reject all excavations under the Al-Aqsa > mosque, because they would endanger the historical buildings on the > site. Besides, they have already dug everywhere. All they could find > were remnants of buildings from the Omayyad-period. Everything they > excavated was related to Arabs and Muslims. > > Die Welt: King Hussein once proposed "Divine Sovereignty" over Temple > Mount, in order to reduce the tensions between peoples and religions > there. > Sabri: We accept God's sovereignty. That is why this mosque is called > Al-Aqsa. Allah himself gave it this name. Allah wants the place to > belong to the Muslims and to no one else. This is acceptable to us. > > Die Welt: Would you agree, if necessary, to the internationalization > of the city, in order to manage these unsolvable problems? > Sabri: An internationalized Jerusalem would be worse for us than a > Zionist Jerusalem. In such a case, the entire world, and not only one > state, would be against us. This would be a regression to colonial > times. > > Die Welt: On March 23, the Pope said in Jerusalem: "Religion must > never be an excuse for the use of force especially when religious > identity overlaps with cultural and national identity." How would you > answer him? > Sabri: Any religious man would agree with that. We also believe that > religion is not the reason for the hatred between peoples. Only those > without religion ignore that. But who are they? Who occupies and > destroys other peoples and their property? > > Die Welt: The Intifada is also violent. Wasn't the peaceful > resistance with which Gandhi ended British colonialism in India, more > successful? > Sabri: We have fought for peace without using violence since 1967. > But no one listened to us. We won resolutions in the UN, but no one > lifted a finger for us. > > Die Welt: In your July 2000 Fatwa you declared: "We insist on the > Right of Return for all the 1948 refugees and prohibit them from > getting compensations for [the loss] of the Holy Land, for it has no > price. What are the borders of this Holy Land that you refer to? > Sabri: From an Islamic point of view, it stretches from the > Mediterranean to the Jordan [River]. It is Palestine in its entirety. > > Die Welt: And there is no place for the Israelis? > Sabri: For the Jews who lived here before, there will be a place, of > course. But all those Jews who came here from all over the world, > must return to the places from where they came. The Jews from Germany > should return to Germany. (laughs) After all, you like them so much, > don't you? > > Die Welt: Does this mean, that there is no place here for a Jewish > state? > Sabri: I didn't address this issue in my Fatwa. All I said was that > the refugees must return. I didn't say anything about the borders. > > Interview with Ikrima Sabri, Mufti of Jerusalem, appointed by the > Palestinian authority, in the German newspaper Die Welt, January 17, > 2001. > Translation by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), an > independent, non-profit organization providing translations of the > media of the Middle East. > >
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