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In article <diH51CAatndGFwbW@legon.demon.co.uk>, dated Mon, 18 Jun 2007, 
John Legon <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote
>Greetings,
>
>Although I appreciate that this NG is practically dead, I had expected
>to find some discussion here about Demon's new homepages control panel
>and web page statistics.
>
>After the initial discomfort of finding that the password needed for FTP
>had changed from dial-up to POP3 - as also required by the control panel
>and statistics pages - I have been pleasantly surprised by the amount of
>detail which is now being provided WRT visits to my web pages.  I hadn't
>expected to see a list of the search terms which people have been using
>to locate my site, for example.  Very useful.
>
>One slight disappointment is that the pie-chart showing site access by
>country doesn't seem to be working, so I have resorted to converting
>IP addresses to countries the hard way.  It also remains to be seen how
>much of my web space is being taken up by the supporting log files, etc.
>But at least the information is there...
>

There's a lot of heated discussion going on in demon.service!


-- 
Kate B

PS 'elvira' is spamtrapped - please reply to 'elviraspam' at cockaigne if you want
to reply personally

In message <diH51CAatndGFwbW@legon.demon.co.uk>, John Legon 
<john@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>Greetings,
>
>Although I appreciate that this NG is practically dead, I had expected
>to find some discussion here about Demon's new homepages control panel
>and web page statistics.
>
>After the initial discomfort of finding that the password needed for FTP
>had changed from dial-up to POP3 - as also required by the control panel
>and statistics pages - I have been pleasantly surprised by the amount of
>detail which is now being provided WRT visits to my web pages.  I hadn't
>expected to see a list of the search terms which people have been using
>to locate my site, for example.  Very useful.
>
>One slight disappointment is that the pie-chart showing site access by
>country doesn't seem to be working, so I have resorted to converting
>IP addresses to countries the hard way.  It also remains to be seen how
>much of my web space is being taken up by the supporting log files, etc.
>But at least the information is there...
>

You're just trying to make us all jealous aren't you !!!!!
-- 
Richard. ** http://www.grange.demon.co.uk **
"Snarl, Growl, Kill, Maim, Murder!!" - Sig Vicious

Kate Brown <elvira@cockaigne.demon.co.uk> wrote in article <hJOu2YwzPqdG
FwOt@cockaigne.demon.co.uk>:

>There's a lot of heated discussion going on in demon.service!

Thanks for that!  It seems that there is life on planet d.h.a after all!
As it happens, I browsed demon.service before posting here, but couldn't
find anything particularly helpful or relevant.  Just the usual moans
and groans...

I can understand people getting upset by the short notice which was
given for the temporary suspension of FTP, but this has been a major
enhancement to the Demon homepages, and d.h.a seemed the best place to
look for some constructive comments.

-- 
John Legon

In message <k4UXDCAXUtdGFwd1@legon.demon.co.uk>, John Legon 
<john@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>Kate Brown <elvira@cockaigne.demon.co.uk> wrote in article <hJOu2YwzPqdG
>FwOt@cockaigne.demon.co.uk>:
>
>>There's a lot of heated discussion going on in demon.service!
>
>Thanks for that!  It seems that there is life on planet d.h.a after all!
>As it happens, I browsed demon.service before posting here, but couldn't
>find anything particularly helpful or relevant.  Just the usual moans
>and groans...
>
>I can understand people getting upset by the short notice which was
>given for the temporary suspension of FTP, but this has been a major
>enhancement to the Demon homepages, and d.h.a seemed the best place to
>look for some constructive comments.
>
It's not just the short notice but the fact that for a lot of people the 
migration has been another almighty cock-up.

Also this "enhancement" is effectively halving bandwidth allowances 
which for sites like mine may be the last straw.
-- 
Richard. ** http://www.grange.demon.co.uk **
"Snarl, Growl, Kill, Maim, Murder!!" - Sig Vicious

At 20:40:29 Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Richard Sutherland wrote in article
<++dZJgIt+tdGFweS@grange.demon.co.uk>:
>In message <k4UXDCAXUtdGFwd1@legon.demon.co.uk>, John Legon 
><john@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>>
>>I can understand people getting upset by the short notice which was
>>given for the temporary suspension of FTP, but this has been a major
>>enhancement to the Demon homepages, and d.h.a seemed the best place to
>>look for some constructive comments.
>>
>It's not just the short notice but the fact that for a lot of people the 
>migration has been another almighty cock-up.
>
>Also this "enhancement" is effectively halving bandwidth allowances 
>which for sites like mine may be the last straw.

Fair comment.  I've always been conscious of bandwidth restrictions and
have tailored my web pages accordingly.  Almost all the graphics files,
for example, are two-colour *.gifs which are very compact.  That only
works for me because I use mostly B/W line drawings...

However, the new stats pages have made me aware of possible problems.
Clearly, my site is returning a lot of 404 "not found" error messages,
as browsers and bots (or whatever) are looking for files which don't
exist.  Digging into the new logs, I have identified the files as
"robots.txt" and "favicon.ico", which I have now learnt something about!
 
Of more concern, however, are some 401 "Unauthorised" error messages.
What does that mean?  I can account for two, if it means using the wrong
password, but not five.  Also, one of the "referrers" to my site claims
an URL identical to my own but purporting to come from a file in my root
directory which does not and never has existed.  How is that possible?

Finally, I've just noticed that the password for FTP is now once again
"dial-up" as opposed to "POP3"...

-- 
John Legon

In article <Y6R4TDACo$dGFw6u@legon.demon.co.uk>, dated Tue, 19 Jun 2007, 
John Legon <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote
>At 20:40:29 Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Richard Sutherland wrote in article
><++dZJgIt+tdGFweS@grange.demon.co.uk>:
>>In message <k4UXDCAXUtdGFwd1@legon.demon.co.uk>, John Legon
>><john@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>>I can understand people getting upset by the short notice which was
>>>given for the temporary suspension of FTP, but this has been a major
>>>enhancement to the Demon homepages, and d.h.a seemed the best place to
>>>look for some constructive comments.
>>>
>>It's not just the short notice but the fact that for a lot of people the
>>migration has been another almighty cock-up.
>>
>>Also this "enhancement" is effectively halving bandwidth allowances
>>which for sites like mine may be the last straw.
>
>Fair comment.  I've always been conscious of bandwidth restrictions and
>have tailored my web pages accordingly.  Almost all the graphics files,
>for example, are two-colour *.gifs which are very compact.  That only
>works for me because I use mostly B/W line drawings...
>
>However, the new stats pages have made me aware of possible problems.
>Clearly, my site is returning a lot of 404 "not found" error messages,
>as browsers and bots (or whatever) are looking for files which don't
>exist.  Digging into the new logs, I have identified the files as
>"robots.txt" and "favicon.ico", which I have now learnt something about!
>
>Of more concern, however, are some 401 "Unauthorised" error messages.
>What does that mean?  I can account for two, if it means using the wrong
>password, but not five.  Also, one of the "referrers" to my site claims
>an URL identical to my own but purporting to come from a file in my root
>directory which does not and never has existed.  How is that possible?
>
>Finally, I've just noticed that the password for FTP is now once again
>"dial-up" as opposed to "POP3"...
>

Grrrrr.  Why don't they TELL US THIS!  I still can't get into my logs, 
though.  The server keeps timing out.  Anyone else see this?

-- 
Kate B

PS 'elvira' is spamtrapped - please reply to 'elviraspam' at cockaigne if you want
to reply personally

In demon.homepages.authoring message <k4UXDCAXUtdGFwd1@legon.demon.co.uk
>, Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:55:19, John Legon <john@nospam.demon.co.uk>
posted:
> ...
> this has been a major
>enhancement to the Demon homepages, and d.h.a seemed the best place to
>look for some constructive comments.

It has reduced the bandwidth allowance from 60 or 150 MB per day to 1 GB
per month.

It has dumped what appears to be 5 MB of unwanted admin within my
allocated 20 MB, which was 90% full.

The URL given in Demon's "Access Log Analysis" page is wrong; it has two
missing "www.".

Some of the headings there are unreadable, being black-on-dark.

AFAICS, it does not support keeping a simple long-term record, like
BWUSAGE.TXT did.

But I dare say that management are impressed by it.

-- 
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In message <k4UXDCAXUtdGFwd1@legon.demon.co.uk>, at 19:55:19 on Mon, 18 
Jun 2007, John Legon <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> wibbled
>Kate Brown <elvira@cockaigne.demon.co.uk> wrote in article <hJOu2YwzPqdG
>FwOt@cockaigne.demon.co.uk>:
>
>>There's a lot of heated discussion going on in demon.service!
>
>Thanks for that!  It seems that there is life on planet d.h.a after all!

There's a few of us still around. I did post a pointer when I saw the 
announcement but it appears to have been eaten by my own news server 
before being injected (the post not the news server!). Ho hum.

>I can understand people getting upset by the short notice which was
>given for the temporary suspension of FTP, but this has been a major
>enhancement to the Demon homepages, and d.h.a seemed the best place to
>look for some constructive comments.
>
I think the main problem is most of us can't get to the admin pages to 
see what's new etc. so very few can say anything, constructive or not :)

Most of us can't seem to FTP either since the transfer and a few have 
lost their site and get a "page not found" error.

I think the major negative point is that the bandwidth allowance has 
been halved.

-- 
Pedt
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In message <5uGbsp1DFCeGFwXc@user-unknown.mx2.org.uk>, at 19:32:35 on 
Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Pedt <"\"@ @\""@user-unknown.mx2.org.uk> wibbled

>I think the main problem is most of us can't get to the admin pages to 
>see what's new etc. so very few can say anything, constructive or not

Bad form replying to yourself and all that.

Solution seems to be to ring the Helpdesk and ask for the password to be 
reset.

Based on my experience I'd suggest picking one of length 8 and include 
mixed upper and lower case characters plus digits.

This is what I've just posted in d.s:-

I'd offer two suggestions:-

One: pick a password length of 8 and include digits and mixed upper / 
lower case characters.

Two: If the Indian gent gets an internal server error try FTPing and 
https://admin.dwh.demon.net anyway.


I've just been speaking to a very helpful Indian gent called "Andy".
We started with 5 chars as that's apparently the minimum. He got an 
Internal Server Error, I couldn't log in. Changed one letter to upper 
case ditto. Added one digit ditto. Added two more digits and whilst he 
kept getting Internal Server Errors, I could now log in to the webpage 
and the new password allowed me to access via FTP when I checked.

If the powers that be are reading, Andy deserves acknowledgement for his 
persistence in trying different ideas until we found one that worked at 
least at this end and being generally extremely helpful. He also said 
that he was going to pass it upstairs and around the other folk as worth 
the user trying to log in even if the helpdesk end got a server error.


Password reminds of when I moved to ADSL - same requirement there for 
mixed upper and lower case, digits and a length of 8 minimum.

-- 
Pedt
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a wider uk.* readership than the group(s) which their subjects would naturally
place them. See charter at <http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.announce.html>

Dr J R Stockton <jrs@merlyn.demon.co.uk> wrote in article <dk9J0mSBCBeGF
wCv@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid>:

>AFAICS, it does not support keeping a simple long-term record, like
>BWUSAGE.TXT did.

I agree that the present setup is less than optimal for those of us who
like to keep records, but maybe Demon will consider some improvements. 

In my view, it would help if the raw log files in /logs/today were
automatically copied into another folder called, say, logs/yesterday,
before being deleted in the early hours of the morning.  A complete
record of the previous day's site accesses would then be available for
further analysis.  At the moment, unless I stay up until way past my
bedtime, I can only download incomplete logs for the current day. 

The logs for yesterday would of course be replaced in turn by those of
the next yesterday, to avoid using up too much space....

-- 
John Legon