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Kate Brown <elvira@cockaigne.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Rather than install another ftp client I'd like to use my browser, as 
>the help pages imply one can. So I put ftp://cockaigne etc in the 
>address bar, input the password, and see the folders and files perfectly 
>well.  But I can't delete anything, nor by drag-and-drop nor by the 
>usual Windoze rightclick menu.

I've never tried using a browser to manage my web space, but would like
to know if it can be made to work.  According to the Demon help pages, a
line of the following form should be entered into the address bar:

ftp://<hostname>:<password>@homepages.demon.co.uk/

I haven't tried this myself because it would mean that my password could
then be stored in plain text somewhere on my computer.

-- 
John Legon

In article <yc4SKBAcC5jGFwsj@legon.demon.co.uk>, dated Sat, 7 Jul 2007, 
John Legon <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote
>Kate Brown <elvira@cockaigne.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>Rather than install another ftp client I'd like to use my browser, as
>>the help pages imply one can. So I put ftp://cockaigne etc in the
>>address bar, input the password, and see the folders and files perfectly
>>well.  But I can't delete anything, nor by drag-and-drop nor by the
>>usual Windoze rightclick menu.
>
>I've never tried using a browser to manage my web space, but would like
>to know if it can be made to work.  According to the Demon help pages, a
>line of the following form should be entered into the address bar:
>
>ftp://<hostname>:<password>@homepages.demon.co.uk/
>
>I haven't tried this myself because it would mean that my password could
>then be stored in plain text somewhere on my computer.
>
I haven't needed to put my password into the address bar.  I simply put
ftp://hostname@www.hostname.cockaigne.demon.co.uk
and it generates a dialogue into which I can then put the password.


But it may not do you any good anyway.  I have FINALLY received a reply 
from the Helldesk stating that
>Further to your mail dated 06/07/2007 regarding homepages access, we 
>wish to inform you that you will not be able to drag or drop or delete 
>an file from your webspace in IE7 or any MAC operating system as they 
>only support read-only option.

I can apparently use IE 6 or a dedicated ftp client, neither of which is 
convenient. Why has it taken them over a week to tell me this, and why 
isn't it mentioned on the help pages?





-- 
Kate B

PS 'elvira' is spamtrapped - please reply to 'elviraspam' at cockaigne if you want
to reply personally

                     - hi; Kate Brown demanded:
>           John Legon <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>       Kate Brown <elvira@cockaigne.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Rather than install another ftp client I'd like to use my browser,
>>>as the help pages imply one can. So I put ftp://cockaigne etc in
>>>the address bar, input the password, and see the folders and files 
>>>perfectly well.  But I can't delete anything, nor by drag-and-drop
>>>nor by the usual Windoze rightclick menu.
>>
>>I've never tried using a browser to manage my web space, but would
>>like to know if it can be made to work.  According to the Demon help
>>pages, a line of the following form should be entered into the
>>address bar:
>>             ftp://<hostname>:<password>@homepages.demon.co.uk/
>>
>>I haven't tried this myself because it would mean that my password
>>could then be stored in plain text somewhere on my computer.
>>
>I haven't needed to put my password into the address bar.  I simply
>put ftp://hostname@www.hostname.cockaigne.demon.co.uk
>and it generates a dialogue into which I can then put the password.
>
>But it may not do you any good anyway.  I have FINALLY received a
>reply from the Helldesk stating that
>
>>Further to your mail dated 06/07/2007 regarding homepages access,
>>we wish to inform you that you will not be able to drag or drop or
>>delete an file from your webspace in IE7 or any MAC operating
>>system as they only support read-only option.
>
>I can apparently use IE 6 or a dedicated ftp client, neither oft
>which is convenient. Why has it taken them over a week to tell me
>this, and why isn't it mentioned on the help pages?
>
	- it's possible they did not know; after all, it's being
	a little optimistic to expect anyone outside of microsoft
	to know all the bugs and design failings of every version
	of internet exploder - given that *microsoft* don't!

	- meanwhile, back at the on-line ranch, it should be quite
	easy for you to upload, organise, delete, & download files
	to, on & from your homepages using the ftp client natively
	provided in most versions (possibly all since 3.1 & 3.2 ?)
	of windoze: if you're prepared to type instructions in at
	a command prompt, the number of commands you need to learn
	is small (open, put, cd, delete, get, quit, a, bin, pwd)
	and the rules for using 'em simple enough...

	- might this be of interest?

	- love, ppint.
	[drop the "v" & change the "f" to a "g" to email or cc. me]
-- 
      interstellar master traders  33 north road, lancaster LA1-1NS
       lancaster's fantasy, sf & horror role-playing games, books,
        boardgames, collectable & non-collectable card games shop
      mon-sat 10(ish)-7pm & mail-order  http://www.i-m-t.demon.co.uk

In article <f6rndh$d9i$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>, dated Sun, 8 Jul 
2007,  ppint. <v$af$ppint@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote
>
>       - meanwhile, back at the on-line ranch, it should be quite
>       easy for you to upload, organise, delete, & download files
>       to, on & from your homepages using the ftp client natively
>       provided in most versions (possibly all since 3.1 & 3.2 ?)
>       of windoze: if you're prepared to type instructions in at
>       a command prompt, the number of commands you need to learn
>       is small (open, put, cd, delete, get, quit, a, bin, pwd)
>       and the rules for using 'em simple enough...
>
>       - might this be of interest?

yes, it would.  Thank you.


-- 
Kate B

PS 'elvira' is spamtrapped - please reply to 'elviraspam' at cockaigne if you want
to reply personally

ppint. <"v$af$ppint"@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote in article <f6rndh$d9i$1$8
302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>:
>
>       - meanwhile, back at the on-line ranch, it should be quite
>       easy for you to upload, organise, delete, & download files
>       to, on & from your homepages using the ftp client natively
>       provided in most versions (possibly all since 3.1 & 3.2 ?)
>       of windoze: if you're prepared to type instructions in at
>       a command prompt, the number of commands you need to learn
>       is small (open, put, cd, delete, get, quit, a, bin, pwd)
>       and the rules for using 'em simple enough...

This works for me, in a strangely satisfying if slightly masochistic
sort of way.  I've just downloaded an ebook (Looking.txt) from ftp.dcu.
Worth trying if only to make us realize how lucky we are to have
programs like WS-FTP.  However, I couldn't work out how to make a
directory listing stop scrolling.  I thought ls -C was supposed to do
this (column list) but it didn't, at least not with Demon's ftp servers.

-- 
John Legon

In message <WTn5GGPnenjGFwIj@cockaigne.demon.co.uk>, Kate Brown 
<elvira@cockaigne.demon.co.uk> wrote
[
>Rather than install another ftp client I'd like to use my browser, as 
>the help pages imply one can. So I put ftp://cockaigne etc in the 
>address bar, input the password, and see the folders and files 
>perfectly well.  But I can't delete anything, nor by drag-and-drop nor 
>by the usual Windoze rightclick menu.
>
>What am I doing wrong?  All I get from the Helldesk, amongst the 
>verbiage promising me an IPOD if I complete questionnaires etc, is a 
>reiteration of the advice to delete the files and folders, but they 
>never suggest anything other than drag-and-drop or simply 'delete', and 
>don't seem to understand that I can't get my browser (have tried this 
>in Firefox and IE7) to do it.
>
If you can get in to the subfolders, try deleting the files, then 
backing off one level and deleting the subdirectory. Some products won't 
delete a directory that has any content.
-- 
Andy
For Austria & its philately, Lupus, & much else visit
<URL:http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/>

In article <7hFvslO2kokGFwHS@kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk>, dated Mon, 9 Jul 
2007,  Andy <andy@kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk> wrote
>In message <WTn5GGPnenjGFwIj@cockaigne.demon.co.uk>, Kate Brown 
><elvira@cockaigne.demon.co.uk> wrote
>[
>>Rather than install another ftp client I'd like to use my browser, as 
>>the help pages imply one can. So I put ftp://cockaigne etc in the 
>>address bar, input the password, and see the folders and files 
>>perfectly well. But I can't delete anything, nor by drag-and-drop nor 
>>by the usual Windoze rightclick menu.
>>
>>What am I doing wrong?  All I get from the Helldesk, amongst the 
>>verbiage promising me an IPOD if I complete questionnaires etc, is a 
>>reiteration of the advice to delete the files and folders, but they 
>>never suggest anything other than drag-and-drop or simply 'delete', 
>>and don't seem to understand that I can't get my browser (have tried 
>>this in Firefox and IE7) to do it.
>>
>If you can get in to the subfolders, try deleting the files, then 
>backing off one level and deleting the subdirectory. Some products 
>won't delete a directory that has any content.

tried that and it doesn't work.  Apparently it might work in an earlier 
version of Internet Explorer, but not IE 7, or Firefox which is my 
default browser.  I eventually got a message from the Helldesk to that 
effect.

As it happens, Demon have increased the quota now to allow for the stats 
files etc. Although I want to clear my site up, there's no immediate 
need to delete the dud files just now.  So I'll leave it till after the 
holidays, I think, and then acquire some new ftp skills. Thanks to all 
who responded.  The whole webpage 'Upgrading' has been a very 
frustrating experience, and mine hasn't been the worst by far.  So much 
of it could have been eased by better communications from Demon.

-- 
Kate B

PS 'elvira' is spamtrapped - please reply to 'elviraspam' at cockaigne if you want
to reply personally

 - hi; in dhparticle, <Z4YMcCD+XfkGFwSY@cockaigne.demon.co.uk>,
        Kate Brown <elvira@cockaigne.demon.co.uk>: 
>         ppint. <v$af$ppint@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>
>>	- meanwhile, back at the on-line ranch, it should be quite
>>	easy for you to upload, organise, delete, & download files
>>	to, on & from your homepages using the ftp client natively
>>	provided in most versions (possibly all since 3.1 & 3.2 ?)
>>	of windoze: if you're prepared to type instructions in at
>>	a command prompt, the number of commands you need to learn
>>	is small (open, put, cd, delete, get, quit, a, bin, pwd)
>>	and the rules for using 'em simple enough...
>>
>>	- might this be of interest?
>
>yes, it would.  Thank you.
>
	- ok; after you have connected (if on dial-up), or presuming
	that you are so already, as appropriate, and have obtained
	the command line prompt ">":

	>open homepages.demon.co.uk<enter>

	will likely think a bit, and then request your account id:

	>cockaigne.demon.co.uk<enter>

	or perhaps (ime clients differ; but the above is more likely)

	>cockaigne<enter>

	will likely think a bit, and then request your password:

	>*********<enter>

	[not all clients give you asterisks - some very helpfully
	give no indication that whatever key you depressed in fact
	registered]

	it will likely think a bit longer, and then tell you that
	you've successfully logged in (or not, if not; and if not,
	>quit<enter> should close the attempt, and allow you to try
	again). whether it shows a ">" again is variable depending
	upon your client and/or your particular choice of settings.

	you will now be in the main management directory for your
	homepages, and need to change directory to docroot, to e.g.
	replace (update?) your /index.htm:

	cd docroot<enter>

	it will tell you whether the command's been successful, and
	then allow you to:

	put c:\protext\upload\index.htm index.htm<enter>

	or

	put c:\protext\upload\index.htm index.html<enter>

	presuming that the latest version of the html file you wish
	to upload is named index.htm and is in the c:\protext\upload
	directory on your machine's hard drive; vary to suit what
	passes for reality locally: if it's on your H drive, in the
	directory, H:\charnos\outsize\khaki and named motheton.pvc
	you'd need to use:

	put h:\charnos\outsize\khaki\motheton.pvc index.htm<enter>

	or

	put h:\charnos\outsize\khaki\motheton.pvc index.html<enter>

	- the file you upload has the filename you give immediately
	before the <enter> whatever name it had on your machine: if
	you forget to say what you want it to be, it will have the
	_full_ name it had on your machine, including the directory
	string. since you probably won't've used this in any of your
	other html files on homepages, this is about as useful as a
	water-ice waggon wheel. use the command delete and then put
	again with the right name (or mv to rename it).
	
	delete h:\charnos\outsize\khaki\motheton.pvc<enter>

	will not delete the file from your own machine, under these
	circumstances; or to rename,

	mv h:\charnos\outsize\khaki\motheton.pvc index.htm<enter>

	or

	mv h:\charnos\outsize\khaki\motheton.pvc index.html<enter>

	depending on whether you use the .htm or the .html file ending

	(although dos & 'doze are by default case insensitive, unices
	are not: as most commercial & academic site-hosting machines
	use a unix [or similar?], you'll need to be consistent in
	both what you use in your html and in the filenames you use
	on your homepages. umm. "hobbits.htm" and "Hobbits.htm" are
	different filenames in unix, and both are different from
	hObbits.htm, and all three different from hoBbits.htm etc.)
	(native dos is restricted to the 8.3 form of filename, and
	it saves thinking too hard, and likely errors, if you keep
	to the 8.3 form in the filenames you use - but that's up to
	you.)

	- uploading [putting] a file overwrites an earlier-uploaded
	file of the same name in the same directory on the hosting
	computer. if you wish to keep a copy of the earlier-uploaded
	file on the host computer, use mv to rename it before upload-
	ing the new file; if on your home machine, first download it
	using the command, get

	get index.htm h:\charnos\outsize\khaki\motharow.pvc<enter>

	(or .html, if appropriate) (windows applications may have
	problems dealing with html files properly if they're not
	named <foo>.htm or <foo2>.html - so may other os's apps.)


	next comes the only real arrrrghhhh! in the commandline ftp
	jungle: your client needs to tell & be told whether it's
	handling a text file, or a binary file; the default is ime
	a (for ascii), text; but i have met clients where this is
	not the case - or, at least, may be set so that bin (binary)
	is the default.

	to switch to up/downloading binary files:

	bin<enter>

	then, or possibly after you enter the command to up/download,
	it will confirm it's set to handle binary files with a message
	before proceeding to do what it's been told to - which is one
	of the cues to say "arrrrghhhh!" (and optionally hit your cat,
	beloved or forehead, depending on which seems most appropos.)

	likewise, to switch to up/downloading text (ascii) files:

	a<enter>

	and again, it will confirm which mode it's about to use, at
	least a couple of seconds before it proceeds to do so.

	no great harm's done by using the wrong filetype - so long
	as you haven't overwritten the only copy of the file!  (so
	you make & keep back-ups. of course you do. don't we all?)


	[sfaik] you can only upload to, and download from, whichever
	directory upon the host machine that you are currently in:
	to return to docroot from anywhere:

	cd /docroot<enter>


	while you're logged into the site, "pwd" will tell you where
	you currently are:

	pwd<enter>

	will report something like

	volume1/demon.co.uk/c/o/c/k/cockaigne/docroot/weapons

	- or, at least, it would've done on the old homepages host
	machines. sfaicr i haven't needed to ask where i'd managed
	to lose myself in my homepages since the transfer (least-
	ways, not yet), so i don't know precisely how the new ones
	compare: but i do know they permit navigation by using the
	relative directory addresses, such as:

	cd /docroot/weapons/ligatures/monofilament<enter>

	assuming you have created such directories & subdirectories.

	mkdir monofilaments<enter>

	will create the directory, monofilaments, as a subdirectory
	of whatever directory you are in when you enter the command.
	you will need to cd to it, to be in it.

	when you are in a directory, dir will list its contents:

	dir<enter>

	ls-lr<enter> and variations do similar things, sometimes with
	useful - or puzzling - extras.


	- when you've finished, it's polite to quit (and probably
	frees up room for other demon subscribers to log on a minute
	or five sooner):

	quit<enter>

	and to close your ftp client, similarly:

	quit<enter>


	(fleeing the command line, closing the dos box, or whatever,
	i leave up to you. doze is/are pretty much a mystery to me.)


	- ok, everyone else reading - what have i missed out, or got
	wrong?

	- hth, hand - tdwsc!

	- love, ppint.
	  [the address from which this was posted bounces e-mail;
	   please change the "f" to a "g" and drop the "v" if you
                      wish to cc. or e-mail me.]
-- 
   interstellar master traders 33 north road lancaster LA1-1NS england
       lancaster's sf/f/horror role-playing game and book shop
   http://www.i-m-t.demon.co.uk/ +44-781-344-1539 & +44-1524-382181
         10(ish) - 7pm (later by arrangement) monday - saturdayLines: 22

In article <70706079protext$@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>, dated Tue, 10 Jul 2007, 
ppint. at IMT <v$af$ppint@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote
> - hi; in dhparticle, <Z4YMcCD+XfkGFwSY@cockaigne.demon.co.uk>,
>        Kate Brown <elvira@cockaigne.demon.co.uk>:
>>         ppint. <v$af$ppint@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>>
>>>     - meanwhile, back at the on-line ranch, it should be quite
>>>     easy for you to upload, organise, delete, & download files
>>>     to, on & from your homepages using the ftp client natively
>>>     provided in most versions (possibly all since 3.1 & 3.2 ?)
>>>     of windoze: if you're prepared to type instructions in at
>>>     a command prompt, the number of commands you need to learn
>>>     is small (open, put, cd, delete, get, quit, a, bin, pwd)
>>>     and the rules for using 'em simple enough...
>>>
>>>     - might this be of interest?
>>
>>yes, it would.  Thank you.
>>
>       - ok; after you have connected (if on dial-up), or presuming
>       that you are so already, as appropriate, and have obtained
>       the command line prompt ">":
>
>       >open homepages.demon.co.uk<enter>


<snip lots of stuff I have to go through thoroughly and gently>

Forgive me, but I didn't see directions to delete files.  My problem is 
that my webpage writing programme has an ftp client in it which is very 
efficient at uploading and deleting anything in docroot, but I can't get 
at any directories above it, so I can't delete docroot.old

Could you be an absolute angel and tell me how to delete docroot.old?

-- 
Kate B

PS 'elvira' is spamtrapped - please reply to 'elviraspam' at cockaigne if you want
to reply personally

In message <70706079protext$@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>, ppint. at IMT 
<v$af$ppint@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote

[extensively and usefully]

>
>       (although dos & 'doze are by default case insensitive, unices
>       are not: as most commercial & academic site-hosting machines
>       use a unix [or similar?], you'll need to be consistent in
>       both what you use in your html and in the filenames you use
>       on your homepages. umm. "hobbits.htm" and "Hobbits.htm" are
>       different filenames in unix, and both are different from
>       hObbits.htm, and all three different from hoBbits.htm etc.)
>       (native dos is restricted to the 8.3 form of filename, and
>       it saves thinking too hard, and likely errors, if you keep
>       to the 8.3 form in the filenames you use - but that's up to
>       you.)
>
I have found that some html generators have curious habits regarding the 
case of certain chunks of text they generate - notably when told to 
insert an image, or to create an anchor or a reference to one. It's 
worth checking the html output text, in my view: it avoids much 
%bodypart%ache when the page that worked perfectly well on your own 
machine declines to do the same once uploaded.
-- 
Andy
For Austria & its philately, Lupus, & much else visit
<URL:http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/>

Kate Brown wrote:
[snip]
><snip lots of stuff I have to go through thoroughly and gently>
>
>Forgive me, but I didn't see directions to delete files.  My problem is 
>that my webpage writing programme has an ftp client in it which is very 
>efficient at uploading and deleting anything in docroot, but I can't get 
>at any directories above it, so I can't delete docroot.old
>
>Could you be an absolute angel and tell me how to delete docroot.old?
>
	- docroot.old is a directory, and so you need first to empty
	it by cd docroot.old<enter> dir<enter> to see what files are
	in it, check you don't want 'em (or copy them somewhere if
	you do), then delete filename.one<enter> delete filename.two
	<enter> .. ..through delete filename.last<enter> having done
	this, cd /<enter> will take you back out of the now-empty
	docroot.old and delete docroot.old<enter> should remove the
	last vestiges of your problem.

	- love, ppint.
	[drop the "v" and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]

	pp.s. - the response to dir<enter> lists the files in the
	directory you're in, and the sub-directories branching imm-
	ediately off it: these are identified by a "d" in the code
	describing them in the rights & permissions string in the
	left-hand column. if an otherwise empty directory has sub-
	directories, these need to be emptied and deleted before it
	can be deleted (and so on, recursively).
-- 
         "incipient doldrums" - roger thomas, in IMT a few years ago

In article "ftp to homepages problem" in <demon.homepages.authoring>, on
Tue, 10 Jul 2007 ppint. <"v$af$ppint"@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> writes

>       - docroot.old is a directory, and so you need first to empty
>       it by cd docroot.old<enter> dir<enter> to see what files are
>       in it, check you don't want 'em (or copy them somewhere if
>       you do), then delete filename.one<enter> delete filename.two
>       <enter> .. ..through delete filename.last<enter> having done
>       this, cd /<enter> will take you back out of the now-empty
>       docroot.old and delete docroot.old<enter> should remove the
>       last vestiges of your problem.

This is a good example of why you should consider using an FTP client
with a bit more intelligence than the Windows command-line program :-)

With a large directory, deleting these files one by one is obviously a
pain. But AFAIK the basic FTP interface does not allow you to use a
wildcard.  However, if you have an "intelligent" FTP client, it will
understand what you want to do and convert your single "delete all
files" request into the hundreds of individual "delete this file"
requests that it actually needs to send.


-- 
David Gibson
Spam-cloaked message: The Reply-to: address *is* valid.

At 10:23:19 Wed, 11 Jul 2007, David Gibson <david@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in
article <THkS3qAHGKlGFwpy@mcrosolv.demon.co.uk>:
>In article "ftp to homepages problem" in <demon.homepages.authoring>, on
>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 ppint. <"v$af$ppint"@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>>       - docroot.old is a directory, and so you need first to empty
>>       it by cd docroot.old<enter> dir<enter> to see what files are
>>       in it, check you don't want 'em (or copy them somewhere if
>>       you do), then delete filename.one<enter> delete filename.two
>>       <enter> .. ..through delete filename.last<enter> having done
>>       this, cd /<enter> will take you back out of the now-empty
>>       docroot.old and delete docroot.old<enter> should remove the
>>       last vestiges of your problem.
>
>This is a good example of why you should consider using an FTP client
>with a bit more intelligence than the Windows command-line program :-)
>
>With a large directory, deleting these files one by one is obviously a
>pain. But AFAIK the basic FTP interface does not allow you to use a
>wildcard.  However, if you have an "intelligent" FTP client, it will
>understand what you want to do and convert your single "delete all
>files" request into the hundreds of individual "delete this file"
>requests that it actually needs to send.

In point of fact, the MSDOS ftp client does support a wild card.  
To delete all the files in the remote working directory use "mdel *".
The server will prompt you y/n for each file in turn but you don't have
to name any files.   You can also use "mput *" or "mget *" to upload or
download all the files between the current working directories at either
end.  When the remote directory is empty you can back off one level by
using "cd .." and then use "rmdir <name>" to get rid of it.

I think Kate Brown would be well advised to begin by entering "ftp" at
the MSDOS prompt.  It should be possible to do this from any directory,
and you don't need to be online.  The ftp client will start. 

Now type "help", and you'll get a list of all the available commands.  
Type "help rmdir", and you'll get the answer "Remove directory from
remote machine".   Use "bye" or "quit" to exit the program.

When on line, type in "ftp homepages.demon.co.uk" at the DOS prompt in
your desired local working directory to start access to the homepages
server, enter hostname then password when prompted, and use dir to list
the directories.  Navigate to the unwanted files or directories using
"cd <name>" and then use "del <name>" or "mdel *" and "rmdir <name>" as
required.

-- 
John Legon

In article "ftp to homepages problem" in <demon.homepages.authoring>, on
Wed, 11 Jul 2007 John Legon <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes

>In point of fact, the MSDOS ftp client does support a wild card.  
>To delete all the files in the remote working directory use "mdel *".

Ah, so you can.  Thanks for the tip!

>I think Kate Brown would be well advised to begin by entering "ftp" at
>the MSDOS prompt.  It should be possible to do this from any directory,
>and you don't need to be online.  The ftp client will start. 
>
>Now type "help", and you'll get a list of all the available commands. 

Some may consider that typing "windows ftp commands" into Google is
*slightly* more helpful :-).  Only slightly.

>When on line, type in "ftp homepages.demon.co.uk" at the DOS prompt

A couple of very minor points: i) apparently <USERNAME>.demonweb.co.uk
will also point to the ftp server "these days", but (ii) it seems, in
fact, that you do not have to remember either of those addresses. You're
FTP-ing to your web site so just type the URL of your web site and leave
Demon to sort it out, viz...

>ftp www.mcrosolv.demon.co.uk
Connected to service.homepages.demon.net.
220 Demon Web Hosting & Homepages FTP Server
User (service.homepages.demon.net:(none)): mcrosolv
331 Password required for mcrosolv.
[And so on]

One other point people might want to bear in mind is that FTP can screw
up with firewalls.  If, when you type "dir" at the ftp prompt in Windows
FTP, you get a "425 Cannot open data connection" message, this can
suggest that you need to configure a firewall rule to allow windows FTP
to communicate on all ports.

-- 
David Gibson
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In message <xjBauzBRyOlGFwux@mcrosolv.demon.co.uk>, David Gibson 
<david@[127.0.0.1]> wrote
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>
>Some may consider that typing "windows ftp commands" into Google is
>*slightly* more helpful :-).  Only slightly.
>
I'd prefer doing the 'help' thing on my machine, where liveth the 
specific version of ftp I'm about to use :)
-- 
Andy
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In article "ftp to homepages problem" in <demon.homepages.authoring>, on
Wed, 11 Jul 2007 Andy <andy@kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk> writes

>>Some may consider that typing "windows ftp commands" into Google is
>>*slightly* more helpful :-).  Only slightly.
>>
>I'd prefer doing the 'help' thing on my machine, where liveth the 
>specific version of ftp I'm about to use :)

The point I was making was that there is no real "help" information
available locally.  Viz...

ftp> ? put
put             Send one file

...whereas if you Google for help, you'll go direct to Microsoft's own
web site (not to memntion severa lother helpful help sites) where you
get *slightly* more information, viz...

put LocalFile [RemoteFile]
  LocalFile : Specifies the local file to copy. 
  RemoteFile : Specifies the name to use on the remote computer. 
  If RemoteFile is not specified, the file is given the LocalFile name. 
 
:-)
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David Gibson
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