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On Friday, in article <df3uEJj030n@sktb.demon.co.uk>
     pla@sktb.demon.co.uk "Paul L. Allen" wrote:

> In article <876506961snz@isis.demon.co.uk>
>     ian@isis.demon.co.uk (Ian Smith) writes:

> It's not that much worse than 1.0.  A load of new things, but no radical
> changes to the philosophy of sending and accepting requests.

You're obviously less easily intimidated than I am :) I found the 1.0  
RFC somewhat impenetrable and 1.1 is more than twice as long. I got the 
impression that under 1.1 things are a lot more transactional. With 1.0 
you pretty much say what you want and that's it, but 1.1 looked as if it 
had a lot more to-ing and fro-ing. Maybe I'm wrong; I just skimmed it, 
shuddered and filed it for future reference.

[...]

> Yeah.  At the moment all the homepages sites have their own IP address but
> they all map to the same server (or cluster of servers).  They can figure
> out which site you actually wanted by the IP address the request is sent
> to.  Soon that will stop.  It will be the same IP address for all, and
> you need the host header to work out which site you were after.

I don't look at much on Demon (apart from testing :), but it's nice to 
know that I won't even notice the transition.
 
> However, thinking about it, the proxy should manage to work that out for
> itself - you're sending it the full URL.

Hmmm, I wonder why it doesn't.

[...]

> Yeah, I hate that.  I was digging around the clara.net pages so I could
> advise a friend on how to do something on the clara webspace.  After
> battling through loads of frames, each of which URLs with no text but
> just an image to tell you what it was about), I hit their web central which
> said I didn't have a good enough browser so I could sod off.  Nothing like
> making important pages accessible to all, eh?  Even those using Lynx.

Er, I don't see images or frames :) Online, if I view pages at all, it's 
only to follow a link and the display is cut down to the minimum which 
will facilitate that. Crude, huh ? The way I see it, online is strictly 
for getting the stuff, offline is for looking at it and, mostly, 
discarding it. I've only once come across one form I felt like filling 
in and there's always more than one way to skin a cat...

I still do a lot of page/file collection with a script and it's a real 
bummer to find a collection of rejections waiting for you instead of the 
expected goodies :(

> That's nice.  If you dig around <URL:http://www.delorie.com/web> for his
> web stuff you'll find a gigantic text file showing what browsers have hit
> his site.  Only 3 of the 6 for my platform show up there, and in a limited
> number of versions at that.  The file is *huge*.  There's a lot of browsers
> out there, even if idiots like clara.net decide everyone is running the
> latest Netscape or IE.

I'm not sure how many DOS browsers there are, but I doubt that it's as 
many as six and I don't class what I'm using online as a browser. There 
are several browsers with configurable UA tags, so just because you see 
a different tag may not mean a different browser or even, as in my case, 
a browser at all. For a while I claimed to be using Netscape 6, but, 
much to my surprise, I got mail begging to know where I'd got it :)

[ good POST griff]

Hmmm, it still looks messy to me, but maybe my mess threshold is lower 
than yours. However, the way you describe it is a lot more straight 
forward than I remember the RFC being so I'll keep your info and if/when 
I go back to look at POST I'll reread it. Thanks.

> > Almost the only things I ever send are search terms to search engines and
> > they don't need POST.
> 
> Some do because of the limitations on length of GET query strings.

Ah, well, when the need arises...                        
I haven't hit any limitation yet and I've used some pretty long strings.

> > I think if-modified-since will come before POST.
> 
> HEAD is also useful.

Yup, that's already in.

Ian.
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  |  Ian Smith             |  "The Moving Finger writes;
  |  ian@isis.demon.co.uk  |   and, having writ, Moves on."