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[x-posted; demon.ip.support]

Peter Judge <peter@pjudge.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<GaSvEEAnA5tzEwNv@pjudge.demon.co.uk>...
> I want to know if there is a way to run an IP intranet on my local
> machines, without messing up my Demon connection. When I added IP
> networking to my LAN, Turnpike could no longer find the news and mail
> servers at Demon when I logged in. 

IMO, having done the sort of thing you're talking about I would
say Turnpike blows chunks. It annoyingly almost works in a number
of ways. I wouldn't recommend it, although as a disclaimer I have tried
hard, but not yet *really* hard.. Its treatment of Winsock is vile.
  I use a linux configured as a gateway (see my recent post in demon.ip.
support.unix) and the whole LAN has access thru it. Web,ftp,news
documents are all cached for the whole LAN too, as well as providing
seamless (to all clients and applications) autodialling access to the net.
Click on a URL from anywhere on the LAN and 15s later you have it.
Unless its centrally cached of course :)

> The root problem is that, unlike many other ISPs, Demon assigns a
> permanent IP address to each user, and this conflicts with the IP

Yes, and you should be thankful for it. Dynamic IPs are an utter curse.

> Demon support is emphatic about this. They say I can't do it. I should

Hmm, maybe not with the s/ware they provide..

> Or of course, the one they didn't mention: 
> 
> 3. Stop using Demon. 

Or even trying some other s/ware. FWIW, I'd be interested in hearing
opinions on this: http://www.wingate.net/ http://www.mdaemon.com/
and http://www.ndaemon.com/ which provide mail, news and gatewaying
on a Windows system. It looks pretty good (although pricey for a large
userbase) but linux has the edge (altho' is admittedly a winner is the
BOSFH set-up stakes).

> It seems to me that there must be another option. Indeed, given that
> every W95 and NT user has IP available, and the intranet is currently
> the hottest topic in corporate networking, for Demon's sake there had
> *better* be another answer. 

There is, and I'm surprised Demon haven't looked into it especially as
so many people apparently ask about this.

> Obviously, I can reset my intranet so that my PC has the same IP address
> on the intranet as on Demon. The problem then is that I have to renumber
> the other machines - can I do this without conflicting with other Demon
> subscribers when online? 

In essence you actually have two addresses, 192.168.1.1 and 158.152.x.y
since you have two interfaces (ie devices connecting you to a net). Try the
WinGate stuff as I think currently this is about the only way to do it with
a
play-play OS.

> The preferred intranet addresses are the 'official' internet addresses
> reserved for intranet use:  192.168.0.0, and up from that, 192.168.0.1
> etc. With a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0

FWIW, to be safe avoid 192.168.0.1 since you'll need a broadcast addr
of 192.168.0.255 and some things see .0. as a broadcast address. IME,
it worked here (I changed to .1.255 recently) but unless anyone knows
better, I'd avoid it. I've seen both used in documentation with no real
explanation as to why - the broadcast addr is All My Own Work and
prob'ly wrong.

> [stuff about ip conflicts snipped]

Cheers, Paul.

-- 
Paul Makepeace, Bristol.
<Paul@Make-it.demon.co.uk> <Paul.Makepeace@POBox.com>
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