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In a futile gesture against entropy, Angus Manwaring wrote:

> I've been wanting a decent scsi CD-R for my 1200 060 system for some time
> now, but haven't got round to sorting it out. I have the Blizzard scsi
> interface and a normal scsi CD drive, and I think this gives me access to
> the following connectors:
> 
> 25 pin D   (as on a scsi zip drive)
> centronics (external type scsi connector)
> 
> But if I buy a new CD-R, it is not going connect to either of the above,
> right?
> 
> So does anyone have suggestions on the sort of drive I should look for,
> and what my options are regarding the connectors?

Pretty much every SCSI CD-R you'll find will have a 50-pin flat (IDE-like)
connector.  You should be able to get a 25<->50pin converter without too
much trouble (although, knowing SCSI kit, it's liable to cost far more
than is reasonable...).

> And obviously working well with Amiga CD writing software MakeCD or Burn
> it, is going to be important.

This part I'm not so clear on - I can't honestly remember what sorts of
hardware Amiga CD-R software supports.  If it supports one SCSI CD-R,
it should support any of them, I'd expect - they all use the same
command set standard, at least.  No idea if the buffer-underrun
protection would get enabled, though.
-- 
Adam Jones (adam@yggdrasl.demon.co.uk)(http://www.yggdrasl.demon.co.uk/)
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On 20-Jun-04 16:41:50, Adam Jones said
>In a futile gesture against entropy, Angus Manwaring wrote:

>> I've been wanting a decent scsi CD-R for my 1200 060 system for some time
>> now, but haven't got round to sorting it out. I have the Blizzard scsi
>> interface and a normal scsi CD drive, and I think this gives me access to
>> the following connectors:
>>
>> 25 pin D   (as on a scsi zip drive)
>> centronics (external type scsi connector)
>>
>> But if I buy a new CD-R, it is not going connect to either of the above,
>> right?
>>
>> So does anyone have suggestions on the sort of drive I should look for,
>> and what my options are regarding the connectors?

>Pretty much every SCSI CD-R you'll find will have a 50-pin flat (IDE-like)
>connector.

That makes sense I have one on my shelf like that, which I bought on
Amibench some months back.... I'd given up on it.

>You should be able to get a 25<->50pin converter without too
>much trouble (although, knowing SCSI kit, it's liable to cost far more
>than is reasonable...).

Well, I'm up for that - but when I tried (local places, Maplins etc)
nobody thought it was something they could get hold of.  :-/

Thanks for the reply Adam - if you or anyone else can give me a steer on
where I might come by such a cable, I'd be dead chuffed.

Cheers for now.....


soon be Friday.  ;)


                  All the best,
                        Angus Manwaring.       (for e-mail remove ANTISPEM)

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In a futile gesture against entropy, Angus Manwaring wrote:
> On 20-Jun-04 16:41:50, Adam Jones said

> >Pretty much every SCSI CD-R you'll find will have a 50-pin flat (IDE-like)
> >connector.
> That makes sense I have one on my shelf like that, which I bought on
> Amibench some months back.... I'd given up on it.

Both my SCSI optical drives have that conector, anyway, so I'm
guessing it's pretty much the standard for them.

> >You should be able to get a 25<->50pin converter without too
> >much trouble (although, knowing SCSI kit, it's liable to cost far more
> >than is reasonable...).
> Well, I'm up for that - but when I tried (local places, Maplins etc)
> nobody thought it was something they could get hold of.  :-/

Not too surprising.  I don't imagine they get too many people asking
after SCSI kit. :/

> Thanks for the reply Adam - if you or anyone else can give me a steer on
> where I might come by such a cable, I'd be dead chuffed.

You might try places like dabs.com, scan, etc.

The other option is to get an external SCSI enclosure for the drive.
Scan do one for ~15ukp, which could do for you.  Those usually have
a Centronics connector on.  Alternatively, ebay would be a good bet
for this sort of thing.
-- 
Adam Jones (adam@yggdrasl.demon.co.uk)(http://www.yggdrasl.demon.co.uk/)
.oO("moist Germans were unaware"                                       )
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Angus Manwaring wrote:
> On 20-Jun-04 16:41:50, Adam Jones said

>>You should be able to get a 25<->50pin converter without too
>>much trouble (although, knowing SCSI kit, it's liable to cost far more
>>than is reasonable...).
> 
> 
> Well, I'm up for that - but when I tried (local places, Maplins etc)
> nobody thought it was something they could get hold of.  :-/

The 50-pin IDE connector is for internal cabling, while the 25-pin D or 
50-pin Centronics (or 50-pin compact D) connectors are for external 
cabling.  External cables with different connectors at each end are 
fairly easy to get hold of (even PC World has them, at an even higher 
price than Dabs), but I doubt you'll find a cable with an internal 
connector at one end and an external connector at the other.

You'll need a power supply anyway, so your best bet would be an 
enclosure.  You should be able to get one with an external 50-pin 
compact D connector and an internal IDE cable - make sure you're not 
sold USB or Firewire kit.  I don't know how much you might have to pay;
one of mine came with a purchased QIC tape drive, the other two came 
with scrapped exabyte drives.  Cheap enclosures will have cheap power 
supplies, where the voltage varies too much when the load changes 
abruptly, i.e. when the drive motor turns on.


	Dave Sparks

On 20-Jun-04 20:42:10, Adam Jones said
>In a futile gesture against entropy, Angus Manwaring wrote:
>> On 20-Jun-04 16:41:50, Adam Jones said


>> Well, I'm up for that - but when I tried (local places, Maplins etc)
>> nobody thought it was something they could get hold of.  :-/

>Not too surprising.  I don't imagine they get too many people asking
>after SCSI kit. :/

>> Thanks for the reply Adam - if you or anyone else can give me a steer on
>> where I might come by such a cable, I'd be dead chuffed.

>You might try places like dabs.com, scan, etc.

I had a look last night, nothing doing so far - but thanks.

>The other option is to get an external SCSI enclosure for the drive.
>Scan do one for ~15ukp, which could do for you.  Those usually have
>a Centronics connector on.  Alternatively, ebay would be a good bet
>for this sort of thing.

I'd ideally like to have the drive internal, but if I got one of these
here enclosures, you're saying it should come with an adaptor - from the
rear of drive 50 pin to a centronics 50 pin?

If so, could I go for that and effectively just use the adaptor and put
the drive in my tower?  At 15 quid-ish that would still be a bargain.

                  All the best,
                        Angus Manwaring.       (for e-mail remove ANTISPEM)

I need your memories for the Amiga Games Database: A collection of Amiga
Game reviews by Amiga players http://www.angusm.demon.co.uk/AGDB/AGDB.html

On 20-Jun-04 21:34:21, Dave Sparks said
>Angus Manwaring wrote:
>> On 20-Jun-04 16:41:50, Adam Jones said

>>>You should be able to get a 25<->50pin converter without too
>>>much trouble (although, knowing SCSI kit, it's liable to cost far more
>>>than is reasonable...).
>>
>>
>> Well, I'm up for that - but when I tried (local places, Maplins etc)
>> nobody thought it was something they could get hold of.  :-/

>The 50-pin IDE connector is for internal cabling, while the 25-pin D or
>50-pin Centronics (or 50-pin compact D) connectors are for external
>cabling.  External cables with different connectors at each end are
>fairly easy to get hold of (even PC World has them, at an even higher
>price than Dabs), but I doubt you'll find a cable with an internal
>connector at one end and an external connector at the other.

Bother!   :)

>You'll need a power supply anyway, so your best bet would be an
>enclosure.  You should be able to get one with an external 50-pin
>compact D connector and an internal IDE cable

The thing is Dave (unless I'm misunderstanding you) I really want to go
scsi. I have an IDE CD-R in my tower, BTW, and a scsi CD-R sitting on the
shelf.

As I understand it, I need a female IDC 50 pin (like an IDE 3.5 HD
connector) going to a 25 pin D connector (like on a scsi zip drive).



                  All the best,
                        Angus Manwaring.       (for e-mail remove ANTISPEM)

I need your memories for the Amiga Games Database: A collection of Amiga
Game reviews by Amiga players http://www.angusm.demon.co.uk/AGDB/AGDB.html

Angus Manwaring wrote:
> On 20-Jun-04 21:34:21, Dave Sparks said

>>You'll need a power supply anyway, so your best bet would be an
>>enclosure.  You should be able to get one with an external 50-pin
>>compact D connector and an internal IDE cable
> 
> The thing is Dave (unless I'm misunderstanding you) I really want to go
> scsi. I have an IDE CD-R in my tower, BTW, and a scsi CD-R sitting on the
> shelf.

Sorry - I meant to type IDC.  I did know you meant SCSI.

	Dave Sparks