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In article <MPG.17021d571f56367e989d4f@130.133.1.4>, i@dontcare.org says...
> it's a bit crude but works ok with Netscape 4.7 here,
> IE5.5 didn't like it much (can't work out why) and haven't tested it with 
> IBrowse yet.

I just worked out why it doesn't work with IE5.5, the system relies on 
cookies if the browser is able to serve them, so if you turn off cookie 
acceptance on NS then my script works and you can access your webmail, 
otherwise you get the "session timed out/you logged out" page.

Bugger. Why couldn't Demon just leave webmail the fuck alone :-(

This really pisses me off. The new system is bollocks.


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Rid

In a futile gesture against entropy, Ridwan Hughes wrote:

> Bugger. Why couldn't Demon just leave webmail the fuck alone :-(

> This really pisses me off. The new system is bollocks.

I must be one of the very few people who actually *prefer* the new
system, then...  The login form is more annoying, but the rest of the
interface is a significant improvement, IMHO - not least being able
to get away from that damn "yes, you bastard, show me the *whole*
message" button. :)
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Adam Jones (adam@yggdrasl.demon.co.uk)(http://www.yggdrasl.demon.co.uk/)
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On 20 Mar 2002 20:14:57 GMT,
Adam Jones <adam@yggdrasl.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I must be one of the very few people who actually *prefer* the new
> system, then...  The login form is more annoying, but the rest of the
> interface is a significant improvement, IMHO - not least being able
> to get away from that damn "yes, you bastard, show me the *whole*
> message" button. :)

At the expense of not being able to print the mail.

Paul

In article <a7aqk1$vkp$1@yggdrasl.demon.co.uk>, adam@yggdrasl.demon.co.uk 
says...

> I must be one of the very few people who actually *prefer* the new
> system, then...  The login form is more annoying, but the rest of the
> interface is a significant improvement, IMHO - not least being able
> to get away from that damn "yes, you bastard, show me the *whole*
> message" button. :)

I've started listing the gripes I have with the new webmail system, and 
will be sending them to helpdesk@demon.net when I've completed the list 
(hence why some lines are questions directed towards Demon):


1. The GUI is now set at a fixed width so that only 640x480 browser screens 
are completely filled width wise, any higher resolution and the page is 
bunched up in the center, wasting the available browser space and making 
the list of emails ugly to look at. The grey bar on the left is also an 
utter waste of space.

2. With the GUI set to a fixed width, the "Subject" and "From" columns in 
the Inbox display are now truncated to 30 and 20 characters respectively, 
this means that it is not always easy to identify the sender or the subject 
of the mail.

3. The new GUI has some annoying inconsistancies, the Inbox button itself 
is placed in various regions of the browser window when using the webmail 
functions; when deleting an email you get the chance to Delete or go back 
to the Inbox, the Inbox on that page is placed in the center of the screen 
with the Delete on the left, yet if you click the Delete button the Inbox 
button appears slightly above where the Delete button was, also having to 
click the Inbox button to get back is I feel an unnecessary step.

4. On the new GUI the links you have to click on to read your email are not 
obvious, making them change colour and underlining them ONLY when you move 
your mouse over the subject lines may be fancy but it is not a practical 
way of doing things, furthermore on the old webmail you had the ability to 
click on an email address and use whatever mail program you had setup to 
email them (ie the mailto: links have gone) but this has gone now, an 
annoying loss.

5. The new way of displaying emails means it is very difficult to print out 
emails, using the <FORM> way of showing the email contents means you can't 
press the print button on your browser and get a printout of the email with 
subject/from/time, add to this that there is no way of displaying the email 
in raw format, and furthermore add to this the fact that emails are now 
truncated to an unknown size, meaning you can't read large emails anymore, 
and even furthermore add to that the fact that emails with extremely long 
lines (ie emails with no carriage returns/line feeds, like those produced 
by Hotmail which can easily exceed 1400+, roughly the truncation point) are 
displayed in a corrupted way, the line(s) get truncated and where the rest 
of the line should be there's a list of server ID's of the emails. This is 
just ludicrus!

6. The new system uses cookies when the browser is capable of receiving and 
sending them, but the system doesn't require them.

7. The HTML that makes up the inbox is unnecessary bloated by up to 20%. 
There are a LOT of <!-- --> style comments that needn't be there at all, 
they only serve purpose to the developers, the end user has absolutely no 
need of them, there are also a lot of space characters at the beginning of 
a lot of lines - the result of indentation by the developers which is also 
no use to users, similarily the usage of carriage returns and line feeds, 
the browser doesn't need those at all to display HTML. Taking out the <!-- 
--> comments, extra spaces and all the carriage returns + line feeds can 
reduce the bytesize of the Inbox html by up to 20%, a significant saving 
especially when the end user is on a modem, ADSL/ISDN is still not 
widespread enough for you to not care about bloated HTML on your site.


-- 
Rid