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On 16 Jan 2002 18:10:18 +0000,
Angus Manwaring <angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi all,
>        Happy new year. Is anybody else is getting this rubbish?
> Since the weekend I've been receiving large numbers of e-mails, with
> seemingly random usernames in place of my own. So I'll get a string of
> e-mails that are addressed to something beginning with, for example, "L",
> like:
> 
> laundry@angusm.demon.co.uk
> laundromat@angusm.demon.co.uk
> lakeside@angusm.demon.co.uk
> lavender@angusm.demon.co.uk
> lilliput@angusm.demon.co.uk

Get a list of all of them and a copy of poppy (probably on Aminet, if not,
it's on ftp.demon) You'll need to disable whatever picks up your mail atm,
then setup poppy to delete for addresses you don't want, and to leave the
others.

It isn't that tricky to setup (by the sounds of it disabling your normal
mail method might be more of a problem, I've not heard of that one) but I'm
sure you can find someone to help ;-)

Paul

Angus Manwaring (angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk) wrote:

: All the e-mails have a subject of something like:
:
: Mail System Error - Returned Mail

I've been getting much the same thing, although all the emails are for one
username, "secure2002cd". I got about 20 of them one day and it's been less
since then, about 2 or 3 a day. Getmail simply bounces them as it's not a
known username in my settings.

Are there any decent email clients for Windows that I can set up to do the
same?

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On 16-Jan-02 22:59:02, Paul Copsey said
>On 16 Jan 2002 18:10:18 +0000,
>Angus Manwaring <angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>        Happy new year. Is anybody else is getting this rubbish?
>> Since the weekend I've been receiving large numbers of e-mails, with
>> seemingly random usernames in place of my own. So I'll get a string of
>> e-mails that are addressed to something beginning with, for example, "L",
>> like:
>>
>> laundry@angusm.demon.co.uk

>Get a list of all of them and a copy of poppy (probably on Aminet, if not,
>it's on ftp.demon) You'll need to disable whatever picks up your mail atm,
>then setup poppy to delete for addresses you don't want, and to leave the
>others.

>It isn't that tricky to setup (by the sounds of it disabling your normal
>mail method might be more of a problem, I've not heard of that one) but I'm
>sure you can find someone to help ;-)


Right - thanks for that Paul. When I set up a POP3 function for checking
my mail I looked at Poppy but was unable to get it working at the time.

Meanwhile I've had a bit of a fiddle (stop it!) with some scripts and I'm
hopeful I've improved things.

I've still no idea how my POP3 'incoming mail checker' works, but I have
disabled it by commenting out one smtp line in db/inetd.conf and
de-commenting _in_ another, like this:

smtp       stream      tcp nowait root amitcp:serv/in.smtpd -smtpd
#smtp       stream      tcp dos bin - AmiTCP:Bin/GetMail

That seems to disable the POP3 thing, and then I can allow access to only
e-mails for 'angus' which is possibly as good a system as I'm likely to
get.  ....isn't it?


The following line is in db/services - any idea what it does?

pop3            110/tcp         postoffice      ; The POPS BIT!!!!


                  All the best,
                        Angus Manwaring.       (for e-mail remove ANTISPEM)

I need your memories for the Amiga Games Database: A collection of Amiga
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On Thu, 17 Jan 02 14:29:36 GMT,
Philip Kaulfuss <nospam@see.my.sig> wrote:
> Are there any decent email clients for Windows that I can set up to do the
> same?

POP3ScanMailbox, www.kempston.demon.co.uk. It even has Getmail's whitelist
(probably because IIRC the author saw it mentioned about GetMail and nicked
the idea ;-)

Paul

On 17 Jan 2002 18:26:33 +0000,
Angus Manwaring <angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Right - thanks for that Paul. When I set up a POP3 function for checking
> my mail I looked at Poppy but was unable to get it working at the time.

It's far less scary than it looks, and you can use safe mode till you are
happy it's setup right.
 
> Meanwhile I've had a bit of a fiddle (stop it!) with some scripts and I'm
> hopeful I've improved things.

Ooer! Was that with 2 or 4 fingers? 

> I've still no idea how my POP3 'incoming mail checker' works, but I have
> disabled it by commenting out one smtp line in db/inetd.conf and
> de-commenting _in_ another, like this:
> 
> smtp       stream      tcp nowait root amitcp:serv/in.smtpd -smtpd
> #smtp       stream      tcp dos bin - AmiTCP:Bin/GetMail

Yeah, I don't think that it was a POP3 one you were using then, IIRC there
was a different smtpd that had some basic filtering put in. Tez was the
expert there.

Going back to GetMail is a good start, but IIRC it was pretty slow. From
what I've seen the volume of mail you're getting seems pretty low, so I
guess that might be OK.
 
> That seems to disable the POP3 thing, and then I can allow access to only
> e-mails for 'angus' which is possibly as good a system as I'm likely to
> get.  ....isn't it?

Possibly, but if you comment out smtpd completely, then go online with
poppy setup right, you could delete all the mess, then reenable smtpd and
carry on quite happily.

> The following line is in db/services - any idea what it does?
> 
> pop3            110/tcp         postoffice      ; The POPS BIT!!!!

It's simply a list of possible services, and IIRC without it you have to
put the service number in the first field in inetd.conf.

Paul

On 17-Jan-02 14:29:36, Philip Kaulfuss said
>Angus Manwaring (angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk) wrote:

>: All the e-mails have a subject of something like:
>:
>: Mail System Error - Returned Mail

>I've been getting much the same thing, although all the emails are for one
>username, "secure2002cd". I got about 20 of them one day and it's been less
>since then, about 2 or 3 a day. Getmail simply bounces them as it's not a
>known username in my settings.

Phil, was it you that wrote the excellent POP3 'mail checker' that I use?
It works very well, but I don't have any docs or anything and I've no idea
how it does what it does.  :-/

A general question:  If I bounce these e-mails, being as how they
'believe' they originated from my address, will they richochet back to me
again???!!!    :(




                  All the best,
                        Angus Manwaring.       (for e-mail remove ANTISPEM)

I need your memories for the Amiga Games Database: A collection of Amiga
Game reviews by Amiga players http://www.angusm.demon.co.uk/AGDB/AGDB.html

Angus Manwaring (angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk) wrote:

: Phil, was it you that wrote the excellent POP3 'mail checker' that I use?

Fraid not!

: A general question:  If I bounce these e-mails, being as how they
: 'believe' they originated from my address, will they richochet back to me
: again???!!!    :(

I don't think so... Any bounce/failure messages going back to them will
probably just be ignored or deleted. What I think is happening is, some
spammer is somehow sending emails disguised as coming from other people. So
if they bounce, the mail server is sending the failure notice to us instead
of the real spammer.


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Paul Copsey (paulc@hectortd.demon.co.uk) wrote:

: POP3ScanMailbox, www.kempston.demon.co.uk. It even has Getmail's whitelist
: (probably because IIRC the author saw it mentioned about GetMail and nicked
: the idea ;-)

Cheers, I'll have a look.

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On Fri, 18 Jan 02 01:50:04 GMT,
Philip Kaulfuss <nospam@see.my.sig> wrote:
> Angus Manwaring (angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> 
>: Phil, was it you that wrote the excellent POP3 'mail checker' that I use?
> 
> Fraid not!

If it was a Phil, it was Phil Stokes.
 
>: A general question:  If I bounce these e-mails, being as how they
>: 'believe' they originated from my address, will they richochet back to me
>: again???!!!    :(
> 
> I don't think so... Any bounce/failure messages going back to them will
> probably just be ignored or deleted. 

A bounced bounce should disappear to nowhere, as these have been generated
by onnocent machines, the return path will be null IIRC.

> What I think is happening is, some
> spammer is somehow sending emails disguised as coming from other people. 

They set the return path to you, that's why you get the bounces.

Paul

Paul Copsey <paulc@hectortd.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> smtp       stream      tcp nowait root amitcp:serv/in.smtpd -smtpd
>> #smtp       stream      tcp dos bin - AmiTCP:Bin/GetMail

> Yeah, I don't think that it was a POP3 one you were using then, IIRC there
> was a different smtpd that had some basic filtering put in. Tez was the
> expert there.

Make that Phil, he wrote it, and the version of the code I have
a copy of is a few out of date. Though I don't see why any of
these emails are causing a problem with GetMail, just add them
to the bounce list on the fly.

> Going back to GetMail is a good start, but IIRC it was pretty slow. From
> what I've seen the volume of mail you're getting seems pretty low, so I
> guess that might be OK.

Err, except he's gone back to the GW smtp, from GetMail. Unless
of course that GetMail is not actually GetMail... But then he
also said that with this setup he can have mail only for "angus"
which would suggest GetMail not smtpd as the latter doesn't have
any way to reject mail (well it does but it's actually done after
the mail has been downloaded as a call from rmail and a checkuser
script, none of which is a standard setup).

As for speed GetMail itself is not slow, it can certainly keep up with
any kind of dialup speed.

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On 16-Jan-02 18:10:18, Angus Manwaring said
>Hi all,
>       Happy new year. Is anybody else is getting this rubbish?
>Since the weekend I've been receiving large numbers of e-mails, with
>seemingly random usernames in place of my own. So I'll get a string of
>e-mails that are addressed to something beginning with, for example, "L",
>like:

>laundry@angusm.demon.co.uk
>laundromat@angusm.demon.co.uk
>lakeside@angusm.demon.co.uk
>lavender@angusm.demon.co.uk
>lilliput@angusm.demon.co.uk

Guys, are any of you black-belts with Getmail, and know how to control the
requester etc?

I've read the docs, and it seems to me that if I want mail addressed to
users not specified in smtp.conf file to be automatically bounced, all I
have to do is create ENV:GM_ANYUSER with a value other than yes in it.
Is that right - its not happenning here.  :(


Ideally I need non-Angus/Postmaster addressed e-mails to be automatically
bounced, and everthing else to give me a requester. This would be
invaluable during my current crisis - any ideas how I achieve this?


                  All the best,
                        Angus Manwaring.       (for e-mail remove ANTISPEM)

I need your memories for the Amiga Games Database: A collection of Amiga
Game reviews by Amiga players http://www.angusm.demon.co.uk/AGDB/AGDB.html

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 05:34:44 +0000 (GMT),
Terrance Richard Boyes <tez@pierrot.co.uk> wrote:
> Paul Copsey <paulc@hectortd.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> smtp       stream      tcp nowait root amitcp:serv/in.smtpd -smtpd
>>> #smtp       stream      tcp dos bin - AmiTCP:Bin/GetMail
> 
>> Yeah, I don't think that it was a POP3 one you were using then, IIRC there
>> was a different smtpd that had some basic filtering put in. Tez was the
>> expert there.
> 
> Make that Phil, he wrote it, and the version of the code I have
> a copy of is a few out of date. Though I don't see why any of
> these emails are causing a problem with GetMail, just add them
> to the bounce list on the fly.

I think it's the volume, IIRC something odd happens when you have a lot
coming in.
 
>> Going back to GetMail is a good start, but IIRC it was pretty slow. From
>> what I've seen the volume of mail you're getting seems pretty low, so I
>> guess that might be OK.
> 
> Err, except he's gone back to the GW smtp, from GetMail. Unless
> of course that GetMail is not actually GetMail... But then he

Hmm, ISTR keeping a slightly older version than the newest one for some
reason.

> also said that with this setup he can have mail only for "angus"
> which would suggest GetMail not smtpd as the latter doesn't have
> any way to reject mail (well it does but it's actually done after
> the mail has been downloaded as a call from rmail and a checkuser
> script, none of which is a standard setup).

I thought one of the GW ones had killfiles in there but not enabled, and he
told you how? 

> As for speed GetMail itself is not slow, it can certainly keep up with
> any kind of dialup speed.

I have some memory of something being slow, possibly long emails, but it's
been so long since I used it my memory of it is fading.

Paul

On 19 Jan 2002 19:7:51 +0000,
Angus Manwaring <angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Guys, are any of you black-belts with Getmail, and know how to control the
> requester etc?

Yeah, you just press the buttons ;-)
 
> I've read the docs, and it seems to me that if I want mail addressed to
> users not specified in smtp.conf file to be automatically bounced, all I
> have to do is create ENV:GM_ANYUSER with a value other than yes in it.
> Is that right - its not happenning here.  :(

Make sure it's in envarc: too, and check that none of your scripts change
it.

> Ideally I need non-Angus/Postmaster addressed e-mails to be automatically
> bounced, and everthing else to give me a requester. This would be
> invaluable during my current crisis - any ideas how I achieve this?

I'll have to sit and have a look at it, I can't even use it atm without
unhooking my modem off the PC and locating the Whippet ;-)

Paul

Paul Copsey <paulc@hectortd.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 05:34:44 +0000 (GMT),
> Terrance Richard Boyes <tez@pierrot.co.uk> wrote:
>> Paul Copsey <paulc@hectortd.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>> also said that with this setup he can have mail only for "angus"
>> which would suggest GetMail not smtpd as the latter doesn't have
>> any way to reject mail (well it does but it's actually done after
>> the mail has been downloaded as a call from rmail and a checkuser
>> script, none of which is a standard setup).

> I thought one of the GW ones had killfiles in there but not enabled, and he
> told you how? 

You can killfile, but it's on sender rather than recipient.

>> As for speed GetMail itself is not slow, it can certainly keep up with
>> any kind of dialup speed.

> I have some memory of something being slow, possibly long emails, but it's
> been so long since I used it my memory of it is fading.

Ah, there was a minor issue with some very early versions. Originally
it was holding a copy of the current email in an array /and/ writing
it to disk. The version held in the array was never actually used,
and ARexx's handling of such arrays is pretty inefficient anyway...

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In a futile gesture against entropy, Terrance Richard Boyes wrote:

> As for speed GetMail itself is not slow, it can certainly keep up with
> any kind of dialup speed.

Not when I added all of cyberpromo's (300+) domains to its killfile,
way back when...  ISTR it taking the best part of a minute for each
message header at that point (on an 040/25).
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On 19-Jan-02 23:26:44, Paul Copsey said
>On 19 Jan 2002 19:7:51 +0000,

>Yeah, you just press the buttons ;-)


Guys?

Can any of you suggest what I may be doing wrong?

I've got Phil's latest Getmail, which is a text file unlike my earlier one
which was a compressed binary, and simply rneaming my original and
dropping the new one into AmiTCP/Bin results in no mail being downloaded.

Do I have do something specific to in order to make it work?  :-/

I thought it would make more sense getting the latest version set-up
correctly before pursuing any difficulties with earlier versions.



                  All the best,
                        Angus Manwaring.       (for e-mail remove ANTISPEM)

I need your memories for the Amiga Games Database: A collection of Amiga
Game reviews by Amiga players http://www.angusm.demon.co.uk/AGDB/AGDB.html

On 25 Jan 2002 0:5:35 +0000,
Angus Manwaring <angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Can any of you suggest what I may be doing wrong?
> 
> I've got Phil's latest Getmail, which is a text file unlike my earlier one
> which was a compressed binary, and simply rneaming my original and
> dropping the new one into AmiTCP/Bin results in no mail being downloaded.

That suggests that something isn't quite right. I think it should be just a
drop in replacement.

> Do I have do something specific to in order to make it work?  :-/

I doubt it, I don't think the later versions really changed anything that you
might need to alter.

Can you get it to reply if you telnet to it? If you do a telnet localhost 25
it should give you the banner back. If that's not happening, then it's time
for Snoopdos to see if anything fails while it is loading.

Paul