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<Terry@bahai.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> I have just downloaded newsie 0.69 and it seems to be a very good
> replacement for Oasis as it has several features that I need, anyway can
> anyone tell me how to connect to my POP3 account with newsie as I have
> tried the following:-
> 
> 1) telnet to password.demon.co.uk and set up my POP3 password 2) wait
> (demon said 15mins but I gave it 24Hrs) 3) set up my email address,name
> etc 4) set up SMTP to 'post.demon.co.uk' in newsie server setup 5) set up
> POP3 to 'pop3.demon.co.uk' 6) select check mail 7) type pop3 password when
> prompted
> 
> Newsie then tries to connect and tells me 'password invalid'
> 
> 8) select get mail gives similar
> 
> can anyone help, does POP3 work OK on demon for us poor atarians?

I have never even seen newsie BUT I think I may know where you are going
wrong.  Demons mail works slightly different to may others in that you
can collect mail for your entire nodename and many pakages will not
recognise this, if you have 'email account' (NOT address) to fill in
naywhere then use bahai@pop3.demon.co.uk if it needs a user then again
use 'bahai' you might even need to set the POP3 dialog to
bahai@pop3.demon.co.uk if you can't find an appropriate place for it.
I'm sure someone else will point out what the exactt hings to type if
this is actually the problem.

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 In article <858029940_OASIS_@bahai.demon.co.uk>
  Terry@bahai.demon.co.uk () wrote:-

>I have just downloaded newsie 0.69 and it seems to be a very good replacement
>for Oasis as it has several features that I need, anyway can anyone tell me how
>to connect to my POP3 account with newsie as I have tried the following:-
>
>1) telnet to password.demon.co.uk and set up my POP3 password
>2) wait (demon said 15mins but I gave it 24Hrs)
>3) set up my email address,name etc
>4) set up SMTP to 'post.demon.co.uk' in newsie server setup
>5) set up POP3 to 'pop3.demon.co.uk'
>6) select check mail
>7) type pop3 password when prompted
>
>Newsie then tries to connect and tells me 'password invalid'
>
>8) select get mail gives similar
>
>can anyone help, does POP3 work OK on demon for us poor atarians?  

Newsie does not work with Demon accounts for retrieving email.
The latest versions of Newsie work fine for news, but email is a definate no
no!!

The problem is that newsie decides that the 'user' is 'gary' instead of
'the-gap' (in my case). Of course, this is totally wrong in Demon's case.

I reported this to John Rojewski ages ago, but no fix has been produced yet
:(

All I can suggest is, email John and tell him that you want to use Newsie
for email with your Demon account. If enough people pester him on it, then
I'm sure he'll concede and change it. IMHO, it should be like antmail and
have an actual 'user' field as opposed to *assuming* what the user is!!
I suggested this to John, but he seems to think that this will confuse
people :)

Regards, Gary


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 Gary Priest,Southampton,England           gary@the-gap.demon.co.uk
 Atari Falcon030 + FPU + Nemesis           http://www.the-gap.demon.co.uk/ 
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On 12 Mar 97 00:44:40 G, Gary Priest wrote:
> In article <858029940_OASIS_@bahai.demon.co.uk>
>  Terry@bahai.demon.co.uk () wrote:-
>
>>I have just downloaded newsie 0.69 and it seems to be a very good replacement
>>for Oasis as it has several features that I need, anyway can anyone tell me how
>>to connect to my POP3 account with newsie as I have tried the following:-
>>
>>1) telnet to password.demon.co.uk and set up my POP3 password
>>2) wait (demon said 15mins but I gave it 24Hrs)
>>3) set up my email address,name etc
>>4) set up SMTP to 'post.demon.co.uk' in newsie server setup
>>5) set up POP3 to 'pop3.demon.co.uk'
>>6) select check mail
>>7) type pop3 password when prompted
>>
>>Newsie then tries to connect and tells me 'password invalid'
>>
>>8) select get mail gives similar
>>
>>can anyone help, does POP3 work OK on demon for us poor atarians?  
>
>Newsie does not work with Demon accounts for retrieving email.
>The latest versions of Newsie work fine for news, but email is a definate no
>no!!
>
>The problem is that newsie decides that the 'user' is 'gary' instead of
>'the-gap' (in my case). Of course, this is totally wrong in Demon's case.
>
>All I can suggest is, email John and tell him that you want to use Newsie
>for email with your Demon account. If enough people pester him on it, then
>I'm sure he'll concede and change it. IMHO, it should be like antmail and
>have an actual 'user' field as opposed to *assuming* what the user is!!
>I suggested this to John, but he seems to think that this will confuse
>people :)
>
Can you change your email id in the Personal Options dialog to:
bahai@demon.co.uk    or
the-gap@demon.co.uk 
and then try the Check Mail or Get Mail?


As long as you don't save the prefs, this is just a temporary thing.
Also you could save a 'email.inf' to load before you get email, with 
the above email id instead of terry@hahai.demon.co.uk.
If this works, then its a stopgap until I can work something better.
Let me know if this works...
John
*
* John Rojewski      	  email: rojewski@primenet.com
*                    	  http:  www.primenet.com/~rojewski
* Atari Falcon'030/14/84
* Use NEWSie - the UseNet NewsReader for the Atari

In article <73493819_000003_OASIS_NEWS@the-gap.demon.co.uk>, gary@the-gap.demon.co.uk (Gary Priest) wrote:
>
>The problem is that newsie decides that the 'user' is 'gary' instead of
>'the-gap' (in my case). Of course, this is totally wrong in Demon's case.
>
>I reported this to John Rojewski ages ago, but no fix has been produced yet
>:(

In point of fact, according to the RFCs and so forth, your hostname is 
'the-gap' - anything to the right of the '@' is part of the domain name, not a 
username.  Demon (and a very few other systems using antiquated/obsolete 
conventions) doesn't follow the RFC in that regard, although if the system 
(the ISP's mail system, that is) were properly set up, 'gary@the-gap...' 
should be able to pick up his email because Demon would alias the POP3 server 
as 'the-gap' for that purpose.  In accordance with the RFC, your username IS 
'gary' - so John is correct in his configuration.  It's probably easier to get 
him to kludge Newsie than it is to get Demon to do anything other than provide 
a port for spam to enter the 'net, however.


The Reverend Rich Tietjens aka Captain Blade
atari@teleport.com
Spam is sinful - shoot spam on sight!

Rich Tietjens <Rev.Rich@atarinet.portland.or.NO.SPAM.us> wrote:

> In article <73493819_000003_OASIS_NEWS@the-gap.demon.co.uk>,
> gary@the-gap.demon.co.uk (Gary Priest) wrote: > >The problem is that
> newsie decides that the 'user' is 'gary' instead of >'the-gap' (in my
> case). Of course, this is totally wrong in Demon's case. > >I reported
> this to John Rojewski ages ago, but no fix has been produced yet >:(
> 
> In point of fact, according to the RFCs and so forth, your hostname is
> 'the-gap' - anything to the right of the '@' is part of the domain name,
> not a username.  Demon (and a very few other systems using
> antiquated/obsolete conventions) doesn't follow the RFC in that regard,

This mechanism is far from antiquated it is a very new POP3 system
implimented and especially designed in order to offer the benefits of
SMTP via POP3, the system was implicated so that you could have as many
mailboxes as you wished and then access the same mailbox(s) SMTP or POP,
making it one of (if not the) most advanced mail delivery systems in
operation.  I also do not recall anything in the POP3 RFCs that states
that the name of your mailbox should be anything but unique, perhaps you
could educate me a little?

> although if the system (the ISP's mail system, that is) were properly set
> up, 'gary@the-gap...' should be able to pick up his email because Demon
> would alias the POP3 server as 'the-gap' for that purpose. In accordance
> with the RFC, your username IS 'gary' - so John is correct in his
> configuration.  It's probably easier to get him to kludge Newsie than it
> is to get Demon to do anything other than provide a port for spam to enter
> the 'net, however.

This isn't the place fora right's and wrongs of mail2news discussion but
you know perfectly well that the mail2news gateway is an essential part
of the Demon service and widely valued by many people, Demon have acted
as responsibly as I can see sensible and the restrictions recently
implimented have been quite detrimental enough.

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