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In article <rDQPrPAEZrB5EAxV@musonix.com>, Paul Terry
<paul@musonix.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <xfwXSFA5$eB5EwSW@baxlancs.demon.co.uk> John Griffiths wrote:
>
>>In my Temp Int Folder I have the usual Cache 1 to Cache 4 each folder
>>empty.
>>
>>I also have a folder Content IE5  12 folders 58 meg !!!  Folders are
>>called names i.e 05ivg51j,  0x117948,  21yhsbw1  etc.
>>
>>When I looked through these 12 folders I found they were nearly all
>>duplicates of one another and each folder was full of cookies.
>>
>>I don't mind having cookies as they do come in handy especially when
>>ordering anything on line but :-
>>
>>1.  Why so many different folders?
>
>These are not standard Windows folders. The cache folder and its four
>sub-folders are system folders (as are Fonts, Printers, Start Menu, DUN,
>etc.). It has the special property of displaying the entire contents of
>the cache (all subfolders plus items in the Cookies folder) whichever
>folder you look in - hence the *appearance* that items are duplicated.
>
<snip>
>>2.  Why so many cookies - there must be hundreds in each folder?
>
>You have visited too many web sites that issue cookies :)
I've had another look - there are probably about 100 cookies - they
cover every site I have visited over the past year or so.   It seems to
me that every site you visit produces a cookie.
>I am assuming you are referring to cookies. However, the contents of the
>cache will normally be cached files (.html, gif, jpeg, etc) allowing IE
>to operate offline and to shorten download times when you revisit sites.
You're right - they are not all cookies - most of them are GIF files
>>3.  How do I stop them all appearing again ?
>
>IE allows you to refuse Cookies, and also to restrict the proportion of
>your hard disk that is given over to storing a cache.
It appears to be restricted to 63 meg. I didn't set it to 63mg so how
would that figure appear?    63 meg seems a lot ????
But I suppose out of a 8gb hard disk it doesn't take up much room.

If I restrict the size doesn't that mean that new sites that I visit
will not benefit from the cache?    I could delete some of the gifs etc
from the older sites that I no longer visit but it would take a lot of
time and they only appear to be 1kb each.
>>4.  What effect will it have if I delete the folders altogether?
>
>IE will recreate them automatically (although you could delete those
>called Cache1 to 4).
> 
One final question - would you recommend that I leave things as they
are?  I've plenty of HD space?

Thanks

John
-- 
John Griffiths
Baxenden,  Lancs,
http://www.baxlancs.demon.co.uk

In article <xfwXSFA5$eB5EwSW@baxlancs.demon.co.uk> John Griffiths wrote:

>In my Temp Int Folder I have the usual Cache 1 to Cache 4 each folder
>empty.
>
>I also have a folder Content IE5  12 folders 58 meg !!!  Folders are
>called names i.e 05ivg51j,  0x117948,  21yhsbw1  etc.
>
>When I looked through these 12 folders I found they were nearly all
>duplicates of one another and each folder was full of cookies.
>
>I don't mind having cookies as they do come in handy especially when
>ordering anything on line but :-
>
>1.  Why so many different folders?

These are not standard Windows folders. The cache folder and its four
sub-folders are system folders (as are Fonts, Printers, Start Menu, DUN,
etc.). It has the special property of displaying the entire contents of
the cache (all subfolders plus items in the Cookies folder) whichever
folder you look in - hence the *appearance* that items are duplicated.

The sub-folders used to be named Cache1, Cache2, etc. - the random names
were introduced in one of the IE4 updates as a security measure, but it
sounds like the update did not remove the old Cache 1 to Cache 4 names.

Start up in DOS and take a look at the Cache and you will see its true
appearance - each sub-folder will contain a different set of files. You
will need to use   dir /as    in DOS in order to see system files.

>2.  Why so many cookies - there must be hundreds in each folder?

You have visited too many web sites that issue cookies :)
I am assuming you are referring to cookies. However, the contents of the
cache will normally be cached files (.html, gif, jpeg, etc) allowing IE
to operate offline and to shorten download times when you revisit sites.

>3.  How do I stop them all appearing again ?

IE allows you to refuse Cookies, and also to restrict the proportion of
your hard disk that is given over to storing a cache.

>4.  What effect will it have if I delete the folders altogether?

IE will recreate them automatically (although you could delete those
called Cache1 to 4).
 
> so or if I can limit the number
>of these sub folders.

You will always have 8 of them. You can limit their size, though, by
restricting the amount of your hard disk given over to storing Temporary
Internet Files.

-- 
Paul Terry

In article <xfZBIBAPN1B5Ewjz@baxlancs.demon.co.uk>, John Griffiths
<john@baxlancs.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <rDQPrPAEZrB5EAxV@musonix.com>, Paul Terry
><paul@musonix.demon.co.uk> writes
>>In article <xfwXSFA5$eB5EwSW@baxlancs.demon.co.uk> John Griffiths wrote:
>>
>>>In my Temp Int Folder I have the usual Cache 1 to Cache 4 each folder
>>>empty.
>>>
>>>I also have a folder Content IE5  12 folders 58 meg !!!  Folders are
>>>called names i.e 05ivg51j,  0x117948,  21yhsbw1  etc.
>>>
>>>When I looked through these 12 folders I found they were nearly all
>>>duplicates of one another and each folder was full of cookies.
>>>
>>>I don't mind having cookies as they do come in handy especially when
>>>ordering anything on line but :-
>>>
>>>1.  Why so many different folders?
>>
<Snip>

The actual number of folders is dependant on the size of the cache. I
have 16. :)  (86 meg reserved). Using multiple folders improves
performance by having fewer pages to search at a time. Each of the
folders has an index file which IE checks before displaying a page.

>>>2.  Why so many cookies - there must be hundreds in each folder?
>>
>>You have visited too many web sites that issue cookies :)
>I've had another look - there are probably about 100 cookies - they
>cover every site I have visited over the past year or so.   It seems to
>me that every site you visit produces a cookie.
>>I am assuming you are referring to cookies. However, the contents of the
>>cache will normally be cached files (.html, gif, jpeg, etc) allowing IE
>>to operate offline and to shorten download times when you revisit sites.
>You're right - they are not all cookies - most of them are GIF files
>>>3.  How do I stop them all appearing again ?
>>
>>IE allows you to refuse Cookies, and also to restrict the proportion of
>>your hard disk that is given over to storing a cache.
>It appears to be restricted to 63 meg. I didn't set it to 63mg so how
>would that figure appear?    63 meg seems a lot ????
>But I suppose out of a 8gb hard disk it doesn't take up much room.
>
It seems the default amount of room IE assigns is about 5-10 percent of
the HD space.

>If I restrict the size doesn't that mean that new sites that I visit
>will not benefit from the cache?    I could delete some of the gifs etc
>from the older sites that I no longer visit but it would take a lot of
>time and they only appear to be 1kb each.

If you reach the limit of the cache, IE will start to delete your least
frequently visited sites, to make room for your new ones.

If you do want to delete all the files, under  IE properties | general,
there is an option to delete all Temporary Internet Files, as well as a
settings option, allowing you to change the size and location of your
folders.

>>>4.  What effect will it have if I delete the folders altogether?
>>
>>IE will recreate them automatically (although you could delete those
>>called Cache1 to 4).
>> 
>One final question - would you recommend that I leave things as they
>are?  I've plenty of HD space?
>
If you have no need for the space at the moment, then there's no harm in
leaving things as is.

-- 
Paul Martin
Build and Release Developer                     THUS

In article <xfZBIBAPN1B5Ewjz@baxlancs.demon.co.uk>, John Griffiths
<john@baxlancs.demon.co.uk> writes
[]
>I've had another look - there are probably about 100 cookies - they
>cover every site I have visited over the past year or so.   It seems to
>me that every site you visit produces a cookie.

Sounds about right :(

[]
>It appears to be restricted to 63 meg. I didn't set it to 63mg so how
>would that figure appear?    63 meg seems a lot ????
>But I suppose out of a 8gb hard disk it doesn't take up much room.

Its probably an installation default within IE

>
>If I restrict the size doesn't that mean that new sites that I visit
>will not benefit from the cache?    I could delete some of the gifs etc
>from the older sites that I no longer visit but it would take a lot of
>time and they only appear to be 1kb each.

It is more likely to delete the oldest to make room for the new

>>>4.  What effect will it have if I delete the folders altogether?
>>
>>IE will recreate them automatically (although you could delete those
>>called Cache1 to 4).
>> 
>One final question - would you recommend that I leave things as they
>are?  I've plenty of HD space?

"If it ain't broke don't fix it"
>
>Thanks
>
>John

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In article <xfZBIBAPN1B5Ewjz@baxlancs.demon.co.uk>, John Griffiths
<john@baxlancs.demon.co.uk> writes
>>
>>IE allows you to refuse Cookies, and also to restrict the proportion of
>>your hard disk that is given over to storing a cache.
>It appears to be restricted to 63 meg. I didn't set it to 63mg so how 
>would that figure appear?    63 meg seems a lot ???? But I suppose out 
>of a 8gb hard disk it doesn't take up much room.
>
IE allows you to set a percentage of the disk which it can use for the
cache.  It goes in steps of 1% so it looks as if you are on the minimum
of 1%.

>If I restrict the size doesn't that mean that new sites that I visit 
>will not benefit from the cache? 

No.  When the cache gets full, the older stuff should disappear
automatically.

>   I could delete some of the gifs etc 
>from the older sites that I no longer visit but it would take a lot of 
>time and they only appear to be 1kb each.

IE (or rather Windows) will not let you delete from Temporary Internet
Files - for good reason.  There is an index file which allows it to find
what it wants quickly from among all that plethora of files.  If you
were to delete odd files, the index would get confused. :-(
Unfortunately, your only options are to leave things as they are or
clear the cache completely.  I say "unfortunately" because in my
experience the cache accumulates a lot of useless crap from sites you
visited once and never intend to go to again.  That's the price you pay
for not having to download the same thing time and time again for sites
you do visit frequently.
-- 
E. J. Jewell
 <mailto:ejewell@chy-an-piran.demon.co.uk> <mailto:ejewell@free.fr>
 <URL:http://www.chy-an-piran.demon.co.uk/>

In article <xfwXSFA5$eB5EwSW@baxlancs.demon.co.uk>, John Griffiths
<john@baxlancs.demon.co.uk> writes
>In my Temp Int Folder I have the usual Cache 1 to Cache 4 each folder
>empty.
>
>I also have a folder Content IE5  12 folders 58 meg !!!  Folders are
>called names i.e 05ivg51j,  0x117948,  21yhsbw1  etc.
>
>When I looked through these 12 folders I found they were nearly all
>duplicates of one another and each folder was full of cookies.
>
>I don't mind having cookies as they do come in handy especially when
>ordering anything on line but :-
>
>1.  Why so many different folders?
>2.  Why so many cookies - there must be hundreds in each folder?
>3.  How do I stop them all appearing again ?
>4.  What effect will it have if I delete the folders altogether?
>
>T.I.A.   
>-- 
>John Griffiths

Thanks to everyone who replied - I think I get the message now.  It does
seem a shame that I get loaded with crap from sites that I will visit
once and never again , but if that's the price I have to pay to keep the
others working more efficiently - so be it!

John G
-- 
John Griffiths
Baxenden,  Lancs,
http://www.baxlancs.demon.co.uk