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Re: Mail Error - Whose Fault?

#154
From: Francis Knight
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:43
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<slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> You cut all the headers I'd look at to find out.

I did mis-read the data provided to me and left some out.
Here it is again, below, complete.
 
> However, I do see some problems with the headers you quoted.
> The most important one is the malformed 'Message-ID' one which
> should have the full address of a computer on the right of the
> '@' sign instead of just 'acc'.  Was that message actually
> from someone using the account 'hk11' at nltworld ?

As far as I can tell, yes. I had sent a mail to that account.

> How do you collect email on your own computer from Demon ?

I'm using EIMS behind an AirPort with port mapping on public 
Port 25 to private Port 25 on 10.0.1.201, the EIMS machine.
EIMS is set to only relay for local domains. Nothing about
this particular message appears in EIMS's logs.

I started using EIMS instead of AddMail after acquiring the
AirPort as it shows more detail of the SMTP handshaking. As
I mentioned, along with the AirPort came reduced reliability.
The following block is typical. I've heard talk of 
unacknowledged problems with AirPort port mapping.


Open Transport 2.5.1f1
Default domain: 
Looking up server name...
Remembered name: pinza.demon.co.uk
Server name is pinza.demon.co.uk
SMTP & POP3 ready
Server ready to go.
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:57:23 +0100 194.217.242.6 SMTP connection opened
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:57:34 +0100 194.217.242.6 SMTP connection from
punt-21.mail.demon.net (194.217.242.6)
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:58:44 +0100 194.217.242.6 SMTP connection closed
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:05:06 +0100 216.190.255.225 SMTP connection opened
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:05:17 +0100 216.190.255.225 SMTP connection from
acetronix.co.kr (216.190.255.225)
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:07:41 +0100 216.190.255.225 Not using <cr><lf> as
end of line
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:07:53 +0100 216.190.255.225 SMTP connection closed
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:17:13 +0100 194.217.242.6 SMTP connection opened
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:17:24 +0100 194.217.242.6 SMTP connection closed
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:17:25 +0100 194.217.242.6 SMTP connection opened
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:17:27 +0100 194.217.242.6 SMTP connection closed
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:17:49 +0100 194.217.242.6 SMTP connection opened
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:18:00 +0100 194.217.242.6 SMTP connection closed
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:18:40 +0100 194.217.242.6 SMTP connection opened
Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:18:49 +0100 194.217.242.6 SMTP connection closed



Cheers,
Francis K.


----- Original (Diagnostic) Message -----
From: <root@punt-1.mail.demon.net>
To: <hk11@ntlworld.com>
Sent: 23 June 2002 14:47
Subject: Mail Delivery failed: returning to sender.


> Subject: Mail Delivery failed: returning to sender
>
> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
>
> A message that you sent could not be delivered to all of its recipients.
> The following address(es) failed:
>
>   pinza.demon.co.uk [158.152.22.215]:
>
> MAIL FROM:<hk11@ntlworld.com>
> 250 Sender OK
> RCPT TO:<francis@pinza.demon.co.uk>
> 550 Relay restricted
>
> ----- Original Message Follows ------
>
>  Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for
francis@pinza.demon.co.uk
>            id 1024833130:10:25536:3; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:52:10 GMT
>  Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.42]) by
punt-1.mail.demon.net
>             id aa1127437; 23 Jun 2002 11:52 GMT
>  Received: from acc ([62.255.68.17]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com
>            (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP
>            id <20020623115210.GZLX4626.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@acc>
>            for <francis@pinza.demon.co.uk>; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:52:10 +0100
>  Message-ID: <000001c21aac$82b82b00$7200000a@acc>
>  Reply-To: "Keith" <hk11@ntlworld.com>
>  From: "Keith" <hk11@ntlworld.com>
>  To: "RealMe" <francis@pinza.demon.co.uk>
>  References: <1fe88wy.e9eyywgyx0z8M%francis@pinza.demon.co.uk>
>  Subject:  Old or new
>  Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:43:40 +0100
>  MIME-Version: 1.0
>  Content-Type: text/plain;
>   charset="iso-8859-1"
>  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>  X-Priority: 3
>  X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>  X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200
>  Disposition-Notification-To: "Keith" <hk11@ntlworld.com>
>  X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200

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Message-ID: <1fedqbc.1u1t7j21ieme0oN%francis@pinza.demon.co.uk>
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!129.8.52.88.MISMATCH!nntp!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!pinza.demon.co.uk!francis
References: <1fea0qe.r8dcv815kvun0N%francis@pinza.demon.co.uk> <B93D6C27966825F17E@10.0.1.2>

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From: francis@pinza.demon.co.uk (Francis Knight)
Newsgroups: demon.ip.support.mac
Subject: Re: Mail Error - Whose Fault?
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:43:21 +0100
Message-ID: <1fedqbc.1u1t7j21ieme0oN%francis@pinza.demon.co.uk>
References: <1fea0qe.r8dcv815kvun0N%francis@pinza.demon.co.uk> <B93D6C27966825F17E@10.0.1.2>
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