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Jann,

You're right, Demon do not (to my knowledge) support ETRN.  However, if you
tell ES2K to use it, the worst that'll happen is that it'll dial, connect
and *attempt* to issue an ETRN command which will fail.  Of course, while
this is going on, the Demon 'punt' machines will be busily delivering the
mail to you.

What might be happening is that Exchange is not handling the return status
from the post machine that indicated ETRN is not available, and simply
trying again and again, etc. which may account for the constant traffic thus
the connection never times out.  I just checked the MSKB, and there are
quite a few articles concerning ETRN; one may give a clue.  Also, check out
the documentation for ES2K SP1; this may be a bug that's fixed...

So, it appears that ES2K may have changed somewhat.  With 4.5, it was very
much a case of "Shall I work in Dial-Up Mode?" with an option 'after' that
to specify what action to take once connected (i.e. nothing).  I haven't
moved up from 4.5 yet, so couldn't say what's changed.  Once I upgrade
here - hopefully in a few months- I'll update my FAQ...

Regards,

Jon Grieve


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"jann" <jann@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:3b3d982a$0$8511$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com...
> ... but no ETRN (i.e. Send No Signal) means no Collection at all!
>
> Hi - Has anyone in the UK using Demon SMTP mail been able to get the
SBS2000
> ICW (Internet Connect Wiz)  to configure mail collection OK? Without
> tinkering!!!
>
> I've tried 3x install of SBS with test server (see earlier thread) and
found
> the requested 30-min mail collection was never initiated by SBS (though as
> soon as a client went on to the internet to browse, mail was delivered and
> sent fine).  With SBS4.5 (and following Mr Grieve's advice at
> http://www.southdown.co.uk/users/jgrieve/faq/demonexchange.htm - thanks!)
> it worked fine.
>
> Could this be the answer?: with 4.5 No Signal was sent from ExSvr to
collect
> mail (as I've heard that Demon don't support ETRN?). I noticed with
SBS2000
> ICW that choosing 'No Signal' meant that the ominous words 'You have
chosen
> not to download mail' become part of the wizard confirmation script.
>
> So... I reran the ICW, and chose 'Send ETRN'; immediately ExSvr sprang
into
> action and downloaded mail successfully...
>
> I guess that some change has occurred to SBS/Exchange behind the scenes
> following the dropping of the 4.5 IMC from SBS2000.  Or has some one just
> decided that Not Sending A Signal automatically means User Never Wants to
> Collect Mail... (and therefore mail is only collected when a queue of
> outgoing mail is ready to depart). Any ideas?
>
> The problem with the ETRN setting however is this: it does allow a regular
> dial up and collection, but there also seems to be permanent data traffic
> between here and Demon after connection. Hence the line is not dropped...
> Any ideas what this data traffic could be?
>
> I guess if all this fails, I shall have to rely on a scheduled PING to the
> internet to act as a collection (and delivery) trigger.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>

Thanks Jon, was beginning to think that this forum was a Ghost Town.

I finally found a solution (?) which I posted over in SBS2K forum -
essentially I stopped ETRN'ing and went over to TURNing.  This had the
effect of sending (and receiving) the mail ok, with no accompanying Mystery
Data so the line closed fine after a few mins.  Gawd knows why, but it
brought my blood pressure back to normal again.

I picked up the 'Admin Exchange 2000 Server' book by Tulloch, which I'll
have to find time to pad through - guess I got a bit complacent with 4.5
being more intuitive.

I have to confess to whizzing over to your site initially, in the hope that
you'd already implemented Demon and SBS/ES2K!!!  Have you got a site counter
on that page??  I bet that it's had a fair view visitors, I know that I've
quoted the link extensively.

Jann


"Jon Grieve" <jgrieve@southdown,co,uk> wrote in message
news:tkj3a1kv6lq768@corp.supernews.com...
> Jann,
>
> You're right, Demon do not (to my knowledge) support ETRN.  However, if
you
> tell ES2K to use it, the worst that'll happen is that it'll dial, connect
> and *attempt* to issue an ETRN command which will fail.  Of course, while
> this is going on, the Demon 'punt' machines will be busily delivering the
> mail to you.
>
> What might be happening is that Exchange is not handling the return status
> from the post machine that indicated ETRN is not available, and simply
> trying again and again, etc. which may account for the constant traffic
thus
> the connection never times out.  I just checked the MSKB, and there are
> quite a few articles concerning ETRN; one may give a clue.  Also, check
out
> the documentation for ES2K SP1; this may be a bug that's fixed...
>
> So, it appears that ES2K may have changed somewhat.  With 4.5, it was very
> much a case of "Shall I work in Dial-Up Mode?" with an option 'after' that
> to specify what action to take once connected (i.e. nothing).  I haven't
> moved up from 4.5 yet, so couldn't say what's changed.  Once I upgrade
> here - hopefully in a few months- I'll update my FAQ...
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon Grieve
>
>
> (To reply, modify return address; change commas to dots)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "jann" <jann@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
> news:3b3d982a$0$8511$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com...
> > ... but no ETRN (i.e. Send No Signal) means no Collection at all!
> >
> > Hi - Has anyone in the UK using Demon SMTP mail been able to get the
> SBS2000
> > ICW (Internet Connect Wiz)  to configure mail collection OK? Without
> > tinkering!!!
> >
> > I've tried 3x install of SBS with test server (see earlier thread) and
> found
> > the requested 30-min mail collection was never initiated by SBS (though
as
> > soon as a client went on to the internet to browse, mail was delivered
and
> > sent fine).  With SBS4.5 (and following Mr Grieve's advice at
> > http://www.southdown.co.uk/users/jgrieve/faq/demonexchange.htm -
thanks!)
> > it worked fine.
> >
> > Could this be the answer?: with 4.5 No Signal was sent from ExSvr to
> collect
> > mail (as I've heard that Demon don't support ETRN?). I noticed with
> SBS2000
> > ICW that choosing 'No Signal' meant that the ominous words 'You have
> chosen
> > not to download mail' become part of the wizard confirmation script.
> >
> > So... I reran the ICW, and chose 'Send ETRN'; immediately ExSvr sprang
> into
> > action and downloaded mail successfully...
> >
> > I guess that some change has occurred to SBS/Exchange behind the scenes
> > following the dropping of the 4.5 IMC from SBS2000.  Or has some one
just
> > decided that Not Sending A Signal automatically means User Never Wants
to
> > Collect Mail... (and therefore mail is only collected when a queue of
> > outgoing mail is ready to depart). Any ideas?
> >
> > The problem with the ETRN setting however is this: it does allow a
regular
> > dial up and collection, but there also seems to be permanent data
traffic
> > between here and Demon after connection. Hence the line is not
dropped...
> > Any ideas what this data traffic could be?
> >
> > I guess if all this fails, I shall have to rely on a scheduled PING to
the
> > internet to act as a collection (and delivery) trigger.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Jann,

There's no counter, but a quick skim of the Web Server logs shows there's
been about 1,200 hits on that page, many with a 404 just before, as Demon
keep giving out the incorrect URL to people.  'Bout sums up Demon...

Jon

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"jann" <jann@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:3b4a279d$0$3764$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com...
> Thanks Jon, was beginning to think that this forum was a Ghost Town.
>
> I finally found a solution (?) which I posted over in SBS2K forum -
> essentially I stopped ETRN'ing and went over to TURNing.  This had the
> effect of sending (and receiving) the mail ok, with no accompanying
Mystery
> Data so the line closed fine after a few mins.  Gawd knows why, but it
> brought my blood pressure back to normal again.
>
> I picked up the 'Admin Exchange 2000 Server' book by Tulloch, which I'll
> have to find time to pad through - guess I got a bit complacent with 4.5
> being more intuitive.
>
> I have to confess to whizzing over to your site initially, in the hope
that
> you'd already implemented Demon and SBS/ES2K!!!  Have you got a site
counter
> on that page??  I bet that it's had a fair view visitors, I know that I've
> quoted the link extensively.
>
> Jann
>
>
> "Jon Grieve" <jgrieve@southdown,co,uk> wrote in message
> news:tkj3a1kv6lq768@corp.supernews.com...
> > Jann,
> >
> > You're right, Demon do not (to my knowledge) support ETRN.  However, if
> you
> > tell ES2K to use it, the worst that'll happen is that it'll dial,
connect
> > and *attempt* to issue an ETRN command which will fail.  Of course,
while
> > this is going on, the Demon 'punt' machines will be busily delivering
the
> > mail to you.
> >
> > What might be happening is that Exchange is not handling the return
status
> > from the post machine that indicated ETRN is not available, and simply
> > trying again and again, etc. which may account for the constant traffic
> thus
> > the connection never times out.  I just checked the MSKB, and there are
> > quite a few articles concerning ETRN; one may give a clue.  Also, check
> out
> > the documentation for ES2K SP1; this may be a bug that's fixed...
> >
> > So, it appears that ES2K may have changed somewhat.  With 4.5, it was
very
> > much a case of "Shall I work in Dial-Up Mode?" with an option 'after'
that
> > to specify what action to take once connected (i.e. nothing).  I haven't
> > moved up from 4.5 yet, so couldn't say what's changed.  Once I upgrade
> > here - hopefully in a few months- I'll update my FAQ...
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jon Grieve
> >
> >
> > (To reply, modify return address; change commas to dots)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "jann" <jann@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
> > news:3b3d982a$0$8511$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com...
> > > ... but no ETRN (i.e. Send No Signal) means no Collection at all!
> > >
> > > Hi - Has anyone in the UK using Demon SMTP mail been able to get the
> > SBS2000
> > > ICW (Internet Connect Wiz)  to configure mail collection OK? Without
> > > tinkering!!!
> > >
> > > I've tried 3x install of SBS with test server (see earlier thread) and
> > found
> > > the requested 30-min mail collection was never initiated by SBS
(though
> as
> > > soon as a client went on to the internet to browse, mail was delivered
> and
> > > sent fine).  With SBS4.5 (and following Mr Grieve's advice at
> > > http://www.southdown.co.uk/users/jgrieve/faq/demonexchange.htm -
> thanks!)
> > > it worked fine.
> > >
> > > Could this be the answer?: with 4.5 No Signal was sent from ExSvr to
> > collect
> > > mail (as I've heard that Demon don't support ETRN?). I noticed with
> > SBS2000
> > > ICW that choosing 'No Signal' meant that the ominous words 'You have
> > chosen
> > > not to download mail' become part of the wizard confirmation script.
> > >
> > > So... I reran the ICW, and chose 'Send ETRN'; immediately ExSvr sprang
> > into
> > > action and downloaded mail successfully...
> > >
> > > I guess that some change has occurred to SBS/Exchange behind the
scenes
> > > following the dropping of the 4.5 IMC from SBS2000.  Or has some one
> just
> > > decided that Not Sending A Signal automatically means User Never Wants
> to
> > > Collect Mail... (and therefore mail is only collected when a queue of
> > > outgoing mail is ready to depart). Any ideas?
> > >
> > > The problem with the ETRN setting however is this: it does allow a
> regular
> > > dial up and collection, but there also seems to be permanent data
> traffic
> > > between here and Demon after connection. Hence the line is not
> dropped...
> > > Any ideas what this data traffic could be?
> > >
> > > I guess if all this fails, I shall have to rely on a scheduled PING to
> the
> > > internet to act as a collection (and delivery) trigger.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>