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In article <eQJmeIAOflF3Ew+b@bearnet.demon.co.uk>, Pete Baston
<pete@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes

>
>Is anybody out there using Psimail internet with Demon ?
>
>I have it working successfully if I dial the Energis ROMP, but it won't
>connect to the Green ROMP. It goes all through the script but PPP
>appears not to start up correctly.

can you turn any logging up to full and post the resulting text

also, are you actually using a script ? or PAP ?

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In article <GbCZO5EkxmF3EA96@turnpike.com>, Richard Clayton
<richard@turnpike.com> writes
>In article <eQJmeIAOflF3Ew+b@bearnet.demon.co.uk>, Pete Baston
><pete@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>>
>>Is anybody out there using Psimail internet with Demon ?
>>
>>I have it working successfully if I dial the Energis ROMP, but it won't
>>connect to the Green ROMP. It goes all through the script but PPP
>>appears not to start up correctly.
>
>can you turn any logging up to full and post the resulting text
>
>also, are you actually using a script ? or PAP ?
>

Hi Richard

Not sure what PAP is ? It's referred to as a script within the Psimail
software.

Further info:- I can connect OK to the Purple, Red and Energis ROMP's
but not to the Green. I emailed the helpdesk today and they told me the
Green is using 3com, rather than Ascend. They basically told me not to
use it, as it wasn't compatible with my modem/driver ! I'd still like to
get to the bottom of it, if possible.

I'll see what I can do with logging, and let you know.

Many thanks,

Pete.

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In article <zcUtNHA7x5F3Ew7K@bearnet.demon.co.uk>, Pete Baston
<pete@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes

>Not sure what PAP is ?

        http://www.helpdesk.demon.net/faq/pap.html

> It's referred to as a script within the Psimail
>software.

then you're probably not using it

>Further info:- I can connect OK to the Purple, Red and Energis ROMP's
>but not to the Green. I emailed the helpdesk today and they told me the
>Green is using 3com, rather than Ascend. They basically told me not to
>use it, as it wasn't compatible with my modem/driver !

that's good practical advice :)

> I'd still like to
>get to the bottom of it, if possible.

that may be of interest to others

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richard                       writing to inform and not as company policy
    fewer than 50 MPs still need adopting:  http://www.stand.org.uk/
"Assembly of Japanese bicycle require great peace of mind" quoted in ZAMM

In article <CysT6MIF9GG3EAmZ@turnpike.com>, Richard Clayton
<richard@turnpike.com> writes
>>Not sure what PAP is ?
>
>        http://www.helpdesk.demon.net/faq/pap.html

Right, thanks, I'll take a look at that.

>
>> It's referred to as a script within the Psimail
>>software.
>
>then you're probably not using it
>
>>Further info:- I can connect OK to the Purple, Red and Energis ROMP's
>>but not to the Green. I emailed the helpdesk today and they told me the
>>Green is using 3com, rather than Ascend. They basically told me not to
>>use it, as it wasn't compatible with my modem/driver !
>
>that's good practical advice :)

Certainly is !

>
>> I'd still like to
>>get to the bottom of it, if possible.
>
>that may be of interest to others

Yes, and I'd like to at least understand what the problem is.

I sent you some of the log by direct email - did you get it OK ?

Thanks - Pete.

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Log file: LOC::M:\NET\SOCKETS.LOG
Text file: LOC::M:\TXT\SOCKETS.TXT
Text file created on 19/04/1999 at 08:49:40
Data logged on 16/04/1999 at 21:54:11
Log follows...

 1: Socket 21:54:11 s_control()
 2: Script 21:54:11 Retry script after error 2 times
 3: Script 21:54:11 Stop script on receiving "ERROR"
 4: Script 21:54:11 Sent string to port "AT&F"
 5: Script 21:54:11 Wait to receive string "OK"
 6: Script 21:54:11 Script error No carrier (or no dialtone)
 7: Script 21:54:11 Retry script after error 2 times
 8: Script 21:54:11 Stop script on receiving "ERROR"
 9: Script 21:54:11 Sent string to port "AT&F"
 10: Script 21:54:11 Wait to receive string "OK"
 11: Script 21:54:12 Sent string to port "AT&F1M1L2X4S7=50S8=4"
 12: Script 21:54:12 Wait to receive string "OK"
 13: Script 21:54:12 Stop script after waiting 100 seconds
 14: Script 21:54:13 Sent string to port "ATDT08452120666"
 15: Script 21:54:13 Wait to receive string "ogin:"
 16: Socket 21:54:14 s_startup()
 17: Script 21:54:26 Sent string to port "bearnet"
 18: Script 21:54:26 Wait to receive string "word:"
 19: Script 21:54:26 Sent string to port ""
 20: Script 21:54:26 Wait to receive string "ocol:"
 21: Script 21:54:27 Sent string to port "idle=600,"
 22: Script 21:54:27 Sent string to port "PPP"
 23: Script 21:54:27 Wait to receive string "HELLO"
 24: Script 21:54:28 Open network connection
 25: Packet 21:54:28 PPP Outgoing packet
 26: Packet 21:54:28 PPP Incoming packet
 27: Packet 21:54:28 PPP-LCP Config NAK
 28: Packet 21:54:30 PPP Incoming packet
 29: Packet 21:54:30 PPP Outgoing packet
 30: Packet 21:54:30 PPP Incoming packet
 31: Packet 21:54:30 PPP Outgoing packet
 32: Packet 21:54:30 PPP Outgoing packet
 33: Packet 21:54:31 PPP Incoming packet
 34: Packet 21:54:31 PPP-LCP Config NAK
 35: Socket 21:55:03 s_control()
 36: Socket 21:55:03 s_control()
 37: Socket 21:55:04 s_cleanup()


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In article <kTmYuDA$n2G3EwQe@bearnet.demon.co.uk>, Pete Baston
<pete@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes

> 16: Socket 21:54:14 s_startup()
> 17: Script 21:54:26 Sent string to port "bearnet"
> 18: Script 21:54:26 Wait to receive string "word:"
> 19: Script 21:54:26 Sent string to port ""
> 20: Script 21:54:26 Wait to receive string "ocol:"
> 21: Script 21:54:27 Sent string to port "idle=600,"
> 22: Script 21:54:27 Sent string to port "PPP"
> 23: Script 21:54:27 Wait to receive string "HELLO"

you're not using PAP - because this is a scripted login

> 24: Script 21:54:28 Open network connection
> 25: Packet 21:54:28 PPP Outgoing packet
> 26: Packet 21:54:28 PPP Incoming packet
> 27: Packet 21:54:28 PPP-LCP Config NAK
> 28: Packet 21:54:30 PPP Incoming packet
> 29: Packet 21:54:30 PPP Outgoing packet
> 30: Packet 21:54:30 PPP Incoming packet
> 31: Packet 21:54:30 PPP Outgoing packet
> 32: Packet 21:54:30 PPP Outgoing packet
> 33: Packet 21:54:31 PPP Incoming packet
> 34: Packet 21:54:31 PPP-LCP Config NAK

what is needed is to know the contents of these packets (25-34)

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                          Still you never see the change from day to day
                                And no-one notices the customs slip away"

In article <7D6NWtBacFH3EA6A@turnpike.com>, Richard Clayton
<richard@turnpike.com> writes
>> 24: Script 21:54:28 Open network connection
>> 25: Packet 21:54:28 PPP Outgoing packet
>> 26: Packet 21:54:28 PPP Incoming packet
>> 27: Packet 21:54:28 PPP-LCP Config NAK
>> 28: Packet 21:54:30 PPP Incoming packet
>> 29: Packet 21:54:30 PPP Outgoing packet
>> 30: Packet 21:54:30 PPP Incoming packet
>> 31: Packet 21:54:30 PPP Outgoing packet
>> 32: Packet 21:54:30 PPP Outgoing packet
>> 33: Packet 21:54:31 PPP Incoming packet
>> 34: Packet 21:54:31 PPP-LCP Config NAK
>
>what is needed is to know the contents of these packets (25-34)

Hi Richard

OK, you asked for it ! Please see below. The Psion doesn't seem to have any
capability to log the packet contents, so I used an external protocol analyser
program.

The outgoing and incoming data were logged from two separate attempts, so might
not match up exactly.

I've been trying to interpret the data, but this is my first experience of PPP !
As far as I can see the POP is NAK'ing the 6-octet config option 02 06 FF FF FF
FF that's part of my config request ? According to RFC1340 this is an async
control character map, but I havn't got any further than that !

Cheers - Pete

"It's just the patterns that remain, An empty shell"

Data events (hex and ASCII)
Description is=GREEN Outgoing

00000000 41 54 26 46 0D 41 54 26 46 31 4D 31 4C 32 58 34 |AT&F.AT&F1M1L2X4|
00000010 53 37 3D 35 30 53 38 3D 34 0D 41 54 44 54 39 2C |S7=50S8=4.ATDT9,|
00000020 30 38 34 35 32 31 32 30 36 36 36 0D 62 65 61 72 |08452120666.bear|
00000030 6E 65 74 0D xx xx xx xx xx xx 0D 69 64 6C 65 3D |net.xxxxxx.idle=|
00000040 36 30 30 2C 50 50 50 0D 7E FF 7D 23 C0 21 7D 21 |600,PPP.~.}#.!}!|
00000050 7D 21 7D 20 7D 32 7D 25 7D 26 37 7D 3C 92 4C 7D |}!} }2}%}&7}<.L}|
00000060 22 7D 26 7D 20 7D 20 7D 20 7D 20 7D 28 7D 22 05 |"}&} } } } }(}".|
00000070 6B 7E 7E FF 7D 23 C0 21 7D 24 7D 22 7D 20 7D 2B |k~~.}#.!}$}"} }+|
00000080 7D 31 7D 24 7D 25 DC 7D 33 7D 23 7D 20 AC CC 7E |}1}$}%.}3}#} ..~|
00000090 7E FF 7D 23 C0 21 7D 22 7D 23 7D 20 7D 38 7D 21 |~.}#.!}"}#} }8}!|
000000A0 7D 24 7D 25 DC 7D 22 7D 26 FF FF FF FF 7D 25 7D |}$}%.}"}&....}%}|
000000B0 26 7B 4C C6 C6 7D 27 7D 22 7D 28 7D 22 0A 06 7E |&{L..}'}"}(}"..~|
000000C0 7E FF 7D 23 C0 21 7D 21 7D 22 7D 20 7D 32 7D 25 |~.}#.!}!}"} }2}%|
000000D0 7D 26 37 7D 3C 92 4C 7D 22 7D 26 7D 20 7D 20 7D |}&7}<.L}"}&} } }|
000000E0 20 7D 20 7D 28 7D 22 14 5B 7E                   | } }(}".[~      |


Data events (hex and ASCII)
Description is=GREEN incoming

00000000 0D 0A 4E 4F 20 43 41 52 52 49 45 52 0D 0A 41 54 |..NO CARRIER..AT|
00000010 26 46 0D 0D 0A 4F 4B 0D 0A 41 54 26 46 0D 0D 0A |&F...OK..AT&F...|
00000020 4F 4B 0D 0A 41 54 26 46 31 4D 31 4C 32 58 34 53 |OK..AT&F1M1L2X4S|
00000030 37 3D 35 30 53 38 3D 34 0D 0D 0A 4F 4B 0D 0A 41 |7=50S8=4...OK..A|
00000040 54 44 54 39 2C 30 38 34 35 32 31 32 30 36 36 36 |TDT9,08452120666|
00000050 0D 0D 0A 43 4F 4E 4E 45 43 54 20 31 34 34 30 30 |...CONNECT 14400|
00000060 2F 41 52 51 2F 56 33 32 2F 4C 41 50 4D 2F 56 34 |/ARQ/V32/LAPM/V4|
00000070 32 42 49 53 0D 0A 47 79 6C 65 2D 36 34 2E 61 63 |2BIS..Gyle-64.ac|
00000080 63 65 73 73 2E 64 65 6D 6F 6E 2E 6E 65 74 20 28 |cess.demon.net (|
00000090 34 2E 31 2E 35 39 29 20 0D 0D 0A 0D 0A 0D 0A 6C |4.1.59) .......l|
000000A0 6F 67 69 6E 3A 20 62 65 61 72 6E 65 74 0D 0A 50 |ogin: bearnet..P|
000000B0 61 73 73 77 6F 72 64 3A 20 0D 0A 50 72 6F 74 6F |assword: ..Proto|
000000C0 63 6F 6C 3A 20 69 64 6C 65 3D 36 30 30 2C 50 50 |col: idle=600,PP|
000000D0 50 0D 0A 62 65 61 72 6E 65 74 3A 20 49 50 20 41 |P..bearnet: IP A|
000000E0 64 64 72 65 73 73 3A 20 31 35 38 2E 31 35 32 2E |ddress: 158.152.|
000000F0 38 39 2E 32 31 33 20 20 52 75 6E 6E 69 6E 67 20 |89.213  Running |
00000100 50 50 50 20 6F 6E 20 35 34 31 0D 0D 0A 20 50 6F |PPP on 541... Po|
00000110 73 73 69 62 6C 65 20 61 75 74 68 65 6E 69 63 61 |ssible authenica|
00000120 74 69 6F 6E 20 70 72 6F 62 6C 65 6D 73 20 6F 6E |tion problems on|
00000130 20 74 68 65 20 50 75 72 70 6C 65 20 52 4F 4D 50 | the Purple ROMP|
00000140 2E 0D 0D 0A 46 69 6E 67 65 72 20 73 74 61 74 75 |....Finger statu|
00000150 73 40 67 61 74 65 2E 64 65 6D 6F 6E 2E 63 6F 2E |s@gate.demon.co.|
00000160 75 6B 20 66 6F 72 20 6D 6F 72 65 20 69 6E 66 6F |uk for more info|
00000170 2E 20 4C 61 73 74 20 63 68 61 6E 67 65 3A 20 31 |. Last change: 1|
00000180 34 3A 31 39 20 41 70 72 20 31 39 20 20 0D 0D 0A |4:19 Apr 19  ...|
00000190 48 45 4C 4C 4F 0D 0D 0A 7E FF 7D 23 C0 21 7D 21 |HELLO...~.}#.!}!|
000001A0 7D 21 7D 20 7D 3F 7D 21 7D 24 7D 25 DC 7D 22 7D |}!} }?}!}$}%.}"}|
000001B0 26 FF FF FF FF 7D 25 7D 26 9E 66 D9 90 7D 27 7D |&....}%}&.f..}'}|
000001C0 22 7D 28 7D 22 7D 31 7D 24 7D 25 DC 7D 33 7D 23 |"}(}"}1}$}%.}3}#|
000001D0 7D 20 34 26 7E 7E FF 7D 23 C0 21 7D 23 7D 21 7D |} 4&~~.}#.!}#}!}|
000001E0 20 7D 2A 7D 22 7D 26 FF FF FF FF 8F D0 7E 7E FF | }*}"}&......~~.|
000001F0 7D 23 C0 21 7D 21 7D 22 7D 20 7D 3F 7D 21 7D 24 |}#.!}!}"} }?}!}$|
00000200 7D 25 DC 7D 22 7D 26 FF FF FF FF 7D 25 7D 26 9E |}%.}"}&....}%}&.|
00000210 66 D9 90 7D 27 7D 22 7D 28 7D 22 7D 31 7D 24 7D |f..}'}"}(}"}1}$}|
00000220 25 DC 7D 33 7D 23 7D 20 21 47 7E 7E FF 7D 23 C0 |%.}3}#} !G~~.}#.|
00000230 21 7D 21 7D 23 7D 20 7D 38 7D 21 7D 24 7D 25 DC |!}!}#} }8}!}$}%.|
00000240 7D 22 7D 26 FF FF FF FF 7D 25 7D 26 9E 66 D9 90 |}"}&....}%}&.f..|
00000250 7D 27 7D 22 7D 28 7D 22 53 DF 7E 7E FF 7D 23 C0 |}'}"}(}"S.~~.}#.|
00000260 21 7D 23 7D 22 7D 20 7D 2A 7D 22 7D 26 FF FF FF |!}#}"} }*}"}&...|
00000270 FF 88 7D 26 7E                                  |..}&~           |

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In article <dpw2ACAjeMH3EwcE@bearnet.demon.co.uk>, Pete Baston
<pete@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes

>OK, you asked for it ! Please see below. The Psion doesn't seem to have any
>capability to log the packet contents, so I used an external protocol analyser
>program.
>
>The outgoing and incoming data were logged from two separate attempts, so might
>not match up exactly.

the magic numbers don't correspond

>I've been trying to interpret the data, but this is my first experience of PPP !
>As far as I can see the POP is NAK'ing the 6-octet config option 02 06 FF FF FF
>FF that's part of my config request ? According to RFC1340 this is an async
>control character map, but I havn't got any further than that !

yes - the Psion wants 00000000 and is told to use FFFFFFFF and doesn't

in1:
C0 21 01 01 00 1F         you are asked for
   01 04 05 DC               MRU
   02 06 FF FF FF FF         asyncmap
   05 06 9E 66 D9 90         magic number
   07 02                     PFC
   08 02                     ACFC
   11 04 05 DC               #11
   13 03 00                  #13

in3:
C0 21 01 02 00 1F          you are asked again (you missed packet #1)
   01 04 05 DC
   02 06 FF FF FF FF
   05 06 9E 66 D9 90
   07 02
   08 02
   11 04 05 DC
   13 03 00

out2:
C0 21 04 02 00 0B          you say no (to the second packet)
   11 04 05 DC               #11
   13 03 00                  #13

in 4:
C0 21 01 03 00 18          you are asked for the acceptable things
   01 04 05 DC               MRU
   02 06 FF FF FF FF         asyncmap
   05 06 9E 66 D9 90         magic number
   07 02                     PFC
   08 02                     ACFC

out3:
C0 21 02 03 00 18          you accept them
   01 04 05 DC               MRU
   02 06 FF FF FF FF         asyncmap
   05 06 7B 4C C6 C6         magic number
   07 02                     PFC
   08 02                     ACFC

meanwhile

out1:
C0 21 01 01 00 12       you ask for
   05 06 37 1C 92 4C      magic number
   02 06 00 00 00 00      asyncmap
   08 02                  ACFC

in2:
C0 21 03 01 00 0A
   02 06 FF FF FF FF    you cannot have that asyncmap try this one

out4:
C0 21 01 02 00 12       you ask for the same stuff again
   05 06 37 1C 92 4C
   02 06 00 00 00 00
   08 02

in5:
C0 21 03 02 00 0A       you cannot have that asyncmap, try this one
   02 06 FF FF FF FF

that's all there is. I'd guess that out4/in5 repeat forever, or that the
Psion gives up at that stage

I think your next stop is at Psion's door

-- 
richard @ turnpike . com                         "Nothing seems the same
                          Still you never see the change from day to day
                                And no-one notices the customs slip away"

In article <BgVzuWGYYHI3EAmj@turnpike.com>, Richard Clayton
<richard@turnpike.com> writes
>that's all there is. I'd guess that out4/in5 repeat forever, or that the
>Psion gives up at that stage
>
>I think your next stop is at Psion's door

Hi Richard

Yes, it seems so - I'll see what they say........

I guess the Ascend units are less insistent about the parameters they
require.

Many thanks for your help

Pete.

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