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In article <782558294snz@wookie.demon.co.uk> wookie@wookie.demon.co.uk (John Beardmore) writes:
>I keep mailing a friend at ICL with address
>
>    P.A.Richards@bsn0102.wins.icl.co.uk
>
>About 60% of the time mail is delivered OK, but the rest of the time I get
>the message below returned.
>
>Does anybody know why or how it can be avoided ?

John, it sounds like a technical problem in the ICL X400 mail network
(or as we ICLers say, "the f* net's down again"). The Loop Detected
diagnostic means that it knows there's a host out there somewhere, but
it can't find a way through, and in forwarding the mail from pillar to
post it has at one point ended up in a place it's been before. I suspect
this points to a mis-configuration in the X400 routing tables, as mail
ought to be stored somewhere when a host is offline.

This reply is cross-posted to alt.sys.icl : anyone there know who to
advise about this problem to get it fixed ?

Nick

[NDR quoted below for info : press 'n' now unless you're an X400 admin :-)]

>From @relay1.pipex.net:mailer-daemon@pipex.net Wed Oct 19 07:38:23 1994
>Received: from post.demon.co.uk by wookie.demon.co.uk with SMTP
>	id AA33 ; Wed, 19 Oct 94 07:38:15 BST
>Received: from post.demon.co.uk via puntmail for wookie@wookie.demon.co.uk;
>          Wed, 19 Oct 94 03:14:44 GMT
>Received: from relay1.pipex.net by post.demon.co.uk id aa09955;
>          19 Oct 94 4:13 GMT-60:00
>Received: from pipex.net by relay1.pipex.net id <29135-0@relay1.pipex.net>;
>          Wed, 19 Oct 1994 04:13:19 +0100
>X400-Received: by mta relay1.pipex.net in /PRMD=pipex/ADMD=pipex/C=gb/; Relayed;
>               Wed, 19 Oct 1994 04:13:17 +0100
>X400-Received: by /PRMD=icl/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/; Relayed;
>               Wed, 19 Oct 1994 04:16:10 +0100
>From: mailer-daemon@pipex.net
>To: wookie@wookie.demon.co.uk
>Subject: Delivery Report (failure) for P.A.Richards@bsn0102.wins.icl.co.uk
>Message-Type: Delivery Report
>Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 04:13:19 +0100
>Message-ID: <"bra05c29410190416010454"@pipex.net>
>Content-Identifier: Getting here via
>Status: R
>
>This report relates to your message: Getting here via
>Your message was not delivered to   P.A.Richards@bsn0102.wins.icl.co.uk
>        for the following reason:
>        Message looping detected (please contact local administrator)
>        GB  gold 400         icl              bra05c2 
>        941019041540+0100 
>
>***** The following information is directed towards the local administrator
>***** and is not intended for the end user
>* 
>* DR generated in /PRMD=icl/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/
>*         at Wed, 19 Oct 1994 04:16:10 +0100
>*
>* Converted to RFC 822 at pipex.net
>*         at Wed, 19 Oct 1994 04:13:19 +0100
>*
>* Delivery Report Contents:
>*
>* Subject-Submission-Identifier: [/PRMD=pipex/ADMD=pipex/C=gb/;<27@wookie.demon.co.uk>]
>* Content-Identifier: Getting here via
>* Content-Type: p2
>* Recipient-Info: P.A.Richards@bsn0102.wins.icl.co.uk,
>*         /I=PA/S=Richards/OU=bsn0102/O=icl/PRMD=icl/ADMD=gold 400/C=gb/;
>*         FAILURE reason Unable-To-Transfer (1);
>*         diagnostic Loop-Detected (3);
>*         supplementary info "GB  gold 400         icl             
>*         bra05c2  941019041540+0100";
>****** End of administration information 
>
>The Original Message is not available