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	- hi; in article, <20120804.1418.930196snz@twoplaces.co.uk>,
	    simon@twoplaces.co.uk "Simon Turner" clarified [0]:
>	              "ppint. at pplay" wrote:
>>           simon@twoplaces.co.uk "Simon Turner" elaborated:
>> >                  "ppint. at pplay" wrote:
>> >Lite loses the following things that are present in Large (in no
>> >particular order):
>> >
>> > * Packet driver interface
>> > * Packet tracing
>> > * IP packet filtering
>> 
>>	- is one of these two "hop check <ip address>" from the net> ?
>
>Nope.  Packet tracing is much lower level stuff than hop check (aka
>traceroute); the packet driver interface connects to packet driver
>software that is itself talking to a network card (this is what my
>build uses to access DSL);

	- the packet driver interface is what'd be needed, to use a
	network card with dos driver, to use a dos desktop for broad-
	band (still my longer-term objective) ?

>and IP packet filtering is firewall-type stuff, allowing you to apply
>filter rules to IP packets.  It's fairly complex, and I don't know
>anyone that ever used it.

	- o.k.  (i think i remember people (including richard, perhaps)
	IP using packet tracing to diagnose a problem a long time ago -
	but there's no saying they were using the dos suite to do this.)
	  hop check i do use, and it's still there in 03e.
>
>> > * RIP routing
>> > * Domain name server
>> 
>>	- is this not "domain query <ip address>" from net> ?
>
>Nope.  That's a local DNS *client* querying a remote (Demon) server;
>only hardcore techies want to run their own local DNS servers.

	- lol - there's three or four people i know, i'd not put it past.
>
>> > * FTP server
>> > * ttylink server
>> > * Remote server (allows remote user to kick/exit/reboot your machine)
>> > * Remote command (allows sending of commands to a remote server)
>> > * DOS shell multitasker
>> > * Shell out with '!'
>> 
>>	- ah; i thought i'd been able to do/use these two, once upon a time.
>
>If there are bits missing from Lite that you want to use again, I can do a
>build that re-enables them (at the expense of a larger memory footprint)...

	- many thanks: once i'm safely through this forced emigration,
	i may ask you (unless it'd be simpler for you to do a pplg_03e,
	as it were, using the work you've already done for pplt_03e); i
	have been using clockwork frog's view tsr whilst online to e.g.
	try and check a sender vs. my mailkill file, but it's not got a
	search function and it stops everything else: so if i take more
	than a few seconds, it kills the dialled-up session, and the
	phoneline drops.
>
>>	- o.k; it's taking me longer and longer dialled-up, to reject
>>	the spam+malawi getting through the filtering service demon/
>>	thus/clueless+witless've hired; the prospect of being able to
>>	abandon it with them is one of the few potential advantages of
>>	the new "system" i could see - was this then a mirage?
>
>No, it's genuine enough.  The anti-spam in the new system seems a lot
>more effective than the old cloudmark stuff, plus if the spammers are
>targetting bogus recipient addresses, they can all be left uncollected
>in the catch-all mailbox (once you've set up other user accounts to
>receive the stuff you *do* want to get).

	- both good; & so using the catch-all'll be a significant relief.
[]
>> >Demon's documentation on the new mail system, and in particular the
>> >specialness of "administrator" is, as you would expect, vague, confusing
>> >and contradictory.
>> >[...]
>>[]
>
>So I see; I'll respond to it later.  (In short, don't worry too much.)

	- ta.
>
>>	- i've a suspicion that c+w may write to administrator@, rather
>>	than to postmaster@, if ever they wish to contact us post-forced
>>	mail emigration.
>
>Interesting thought; you may be right.  I've set up a separate user
>account to receive mail addressed to administrator@ and postmaster@, to
>keep them away from the catch-all that will attract all the stuff to
>bogus recipient addresses.

	- *nods*; but iiuc c+w've not mentioned in all of this that
	we should (rfc/use-for "should") *all* open a user a/c for
	postmaster, nor made it an existing user a/c by default - so
	the catch-all a/c default named administrator@ is the only
	a/c they can be (almost) certain we'll all have.
>
>> >>	- and it does work, i can then leave everything placed by c+w
>> >>	on the new, unprivileged "administrator" user's mail on their
>> >>	machine until they choose to delete it. (- touch wood.)
>> >
>> >Yup (although I think they may bounce it back rather than silently
>> >delete it; it is, of course, very unclear).  I may try it at some stage!
>> 
>>	- you've discovered it does not work like that ( :-( )
>
>Not this bit, actually; I still don't know (and won't, for 30 days)
>whether they silently delete uncollected mail or bounce it back.

	- point.  i was presuming.
>
>> >Nope; it's happy to delete mail sent to unknown usernames unread.
>> 
>>	- good, good; so, if i can't isolate all the junk+malawi in a
>>	wotsit i never tryto collect mail from, at least most of it'll
>>	usually disappear.
>
>Yup.

>> >(As Pete found out when testing it and forgetting to add "*env" to the end
>> >of the command: the recipient name ended up being the default "unknown",
>> >which wasn't a known user...)
>> 
>>	- i actually created a user alias, "unknown", whilst trying to
>>	get c+w's incompetently-forged email to us to download by smtp;
>>	i wonder...
>
>If "unknown" is in your FTPUSERS file, you wouldn't have suffered Pete's
>fate...

	- i just bunged an extra line for it in the alias file - and'd
	not got around to removing it, when it didn't work for the c+w
	forgery.
>
>> >No worries: with POP3 collection and "pop3 bounce off", the mailkilled
>> >messages will simply vanish in a puff of logic.
>> 
>>	- *g*  - thanks for the str.  have you read much/any sheckley?
>
>Not that I'm aware of; is this something I should correct?

	- oh yes!  (though not absolutely everything by him): one of
	sf's all-time greatest humourists, _Dimension of Miracles_
	(or the extract in a year's best anthology, "The Story of the
	Creation of the Earth") is whence douglas adams inadvertently
	stole much of the early hitch-hiker's from, ideas and details;
	_Mindswap_ is better still; _The Journey of Joenes_ (_Journey
	Beyond Tomorrow_) provides further friendly assurance of the
	insanity of the world, and _Options_ is a little like _Mindswap_
	seen from the inside...
	  _Immortality, Inc._ is an exception, being of significant
	grimth and not to all sheckley-fans' taste; it's good and well
	worth reading, but not for light relief.
	  just about all of sheckley's short stories are humorous gems,
	including the a a ace planetary investigators series (recently
	run in dramatised form on beeb r7/4extra as "The Laxian Key",
	which is the title of one of them); all of his collections are
	worth grabbing, and you see any of them - few of them've seen
	reprints after the first uk p/b editions, so they're getting
	steadily harder to find - not just _The Robert Sheckley Omnibus
	(a kind of "best of", plus _Immortality, Inc._) (penguin_) and
	the beautifully-entitled _The People Trap and Other Pitfalls,
	Snares, Devices and Delusions, as well as Two Sniggles and
	A Contrivance_...
>
>> >I don't know what the current system does if you reject the mail it's
>> >trying to send to you: I assume it sends a DSN to the poor sap whose
>> >address has been forged as the envelope-from, but perhaps not.  (If you
>> >want to find out, I can send a message to an invalid username @imt and
>> >tell you if I get a DSN back!)
>> 
>>       - feel welcome, should you wish to discover.
>
>Test message sent to weeble at i-m-t; I'll report back!

	- spotted in the queueue on the punt-3 cluster before i down-
	loaded this batch of news from the firedrake; my immediate re-
	action was "i'd better add a line to the alias file, first",
	before i realised what it'd be and quashed the automatic urge.

	- again, thanks for the work you're putting in on all this;
	let me know if you'd like an eye kept open for any of the
	sheckleys - or any other fantasy &/or sf, for that matter.

	- love, ppint.

	[0] - ghee!

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