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"Charlieb" <peopleseemtospammefromgooglegroups@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> I have found a very easy to follow step by step configuration instructions
> for my router (Ascend Pipeline 50) provided by another ISP (American one I
> think - EasyStreet/Ascend Pipe 50 ISDN Configuration (NAT) ) from
> http://support.easystreet.com/lan/P50-config.html, and wondered if I could
> use that but replacing bits with the Demon info rather than trawling
through
> the incredibly detailed and long and complicated (for someone of my non
> existent networking skills!) manuals.

Have you tried the Configurator program available from the old ascend ftp
site?

ftp://ftp.ascend.com/pub/Software-Releases/Configurator/Pipeline/Current/

Regards,
Iain

Hi Iain

I have tried the Configurator program but when I start the console it says
QuickStart could not detect a pipeline. Make sure your Pipeline is powered
on and connected to your workstation using the yellow cable

 and when I try the connect button by manually putting in the IP address it
says

parsing configuration

and then hangs at 100% doing nothing.

When I do ipconfig, I get

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix  .  :
IP Address....................................: 194.70.146.18
Subnet Mask.................................: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway............................: 194.70.146.17

which all seems ok.

I have actually managed to get the router working by putting in the basic
Demon info, but still the console does not recognise there is a pipeline
attached.

So far I am able to connect by using the dial command when I telnet in using
the serial port.

At least I can now use it and can bin my USB from BT, but while this works,
it would be far more preferable if I could get it to work properly and
fireup any time I open a web browser etc.

Any ideas?

Best regards

Charlie




"Iain McWilliams" <iain@duckend.org.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Charlieb" <peopleseemtospammefromgooglegroups@hotmail.com> wrote in
message
> news:b6e9rk$i62$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> > Hi
> >
> > I have found a very easy to follow step by step configuration
instructions
> > for my router (Ascend Pipeline 50) provided by another ISP (American one
I
> > think - EasyStreet/Ascend Pipe 50 ISDN Configuration (NAT) ) from
> > http://support.easystreet.com/lan/P50-config.html, and wondered if I
could
> > use that but replacing bits with the Demon info rather than trawling
> through
> > the incredibly detailed and long and complicated (for someone of my non
> > existent networking skills!) manuals.
>
> Have you tried the Configurator program available from the old ascend ftp
> site?
>
> ftp://ftp.ascend.com/pub/Software-Releases/Configurator/Pipeline/Current/
>
> Regards,
> Iain
>
>

"Charlieb" <peopleseemtospammefromgooglegroups@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Iain
>
> I have tried the Configurator program but when I start the console it says
> QuickStart could not detect a pipeline. Make sure your Pipeline is powered
> on and connected to your workstation using the yellow cable
>
>  and when I try the connect button by manually putting in the IP address
it
> says
>
> parsing configuration
>
> and then hangs at 100% doing nothing.
>
> When I do ipconfig, I get
>
> Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>
> Connection-specific DNS Suffix  .  :
> IP Address....................................: 194.70.146.18
> Subnet Mask.................................: 255.255.255.0
> Default Gateway............................: 194.70.146.17
>
> which all seems ok.
>
> I have actually managed to get the router working by putting in the basic
> Demon info, but still the console does not recognise there is a pipeline
> attached.
>
> So far I am able to connect by using the dial command when I telnet in
using
> the serial port.
>
> At least I can now use it and can bin my USB from BT, but while this
works,
> it would be far more preferable if I could get it to work properly and
> fireup any time I open a web browser etc.

Charlie,

I'm fairly much in the dark about this router, but in the absence of someone
more knowledgable jumping in I'll give it a go...


What do you currently have setup on the

Ethernet -> Connections -> Demon -> Ip options...

ie:
| >LAN Adrs=10.0.0.1/24        |
|  WAN Alias=0.0.0.0           |
|  IF Adrs=192.168.1.1/24      |

Because it sounds as though the router doesn't know how to get to the
outside world, and it's only when you force a dial that demon gives it the
correct values.

ie: on my router the above values would be (I think)

LAN Adrs=192.168.2.1        (I don't use real ip's on my internal network)
WAN Alias=0.0.0.0
IF Adrs=212.240.197.233     (My router ip address as supplied by demon)

Also it looks like you are not using NAT, ie the ip address of your computer
is a valid address which means anyone can attempt to connect to your
computer. If you don't have a firewall set up you are leaving yourself open
to many flavours of hacks.

Regards,
Iain

In article <b6e9rk$i62$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>
           peopleseemtospammefromgooglegroups@hotmail.com "Charlieb" writes:

> The problem I seem to come accross is that I'm not sure which IP addresses
> to change!  The setup is a NAT one and as such uses IP addresses such as
> 10.0.0.1 where it looks to me as though if i'd followed the manual I would
> have put something different!
> 
> 
> The info Demon has provided me with is
> 
> Your network addresses    194.70.146.16/30 (16-19)
> Your networks' Netmask    255.255.255.252

Hmm, you've got more than a single IP address; indeed, you've been given
TWO workable IP addresses ([194.70.146.17] and [194.70.146.18]).  So you
*could* connect two hosts without needing NAT.  (Although quite how you'd
do that with a router I'm not sure.)

Did you mean to buy a /30 from Demon?

(Incidentally, the other two addresses [194.70.146.16] and
[194.70.146.19] are not free for use, since one is the network number
itself, and the other the broadcast address.)

> All suggestions greatly appreciated on what I hope is my final leg to get
> this setup working.  I perhaps ought to say I am only connecting a single pc
> to the router and get the feelong I may be using a sledge hammer to hit a
> pin!

I tend to agree with that viewpoint :-)

-- 
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}                                          bhk@dsl.co.uk
    "We can no longer stand apart from Europe if we would.  Yet we are
    untrained to mix with our neighbours, or even talk to them".
                                              George Macaulay Trevelyan, 1919

Hi Iain

Currently I having binned the whole eaststreet cheat attempt, I put the
basic demon info like this

Configure
 ------------ EDIT ------------
|Configure...                  |
|>Switch Type=NET 3|
| Chan Usage=Switch/Switch     |
| My Num A= 01454315739        |
| My Num B= 01454315739        |
| SPID 1=                      |
| SPID 2=                      |
| Ans Voice Call=No            |
| My Name=ndu-bellord|
| My Addr=194.70.146.17/24| (my routers IP address as supplied by Demon)
| Rem Name= Demon|
| Rem Addr=158.152.1.222/16|(Demons router IP address)
| Dial #=0844-0416677
| Route=IP                     |
| Bridge= No                   |
| Send Auth=PAP                |
| Send PW= ******              |
| Recv Auth=PAP                |
| Recv PW+ *****               |
| Save=                        |



which then filled in the IP options automatically with this result

 Ethernet -> Connections -> Demon -> Ip options...

 | >LAN Adrs=158.152.1.222/16| (Demons routerIP address)
 |  WAN Alias=0.0.0.0           |
 |  IF Adrs=0.0.0.0/0|

> Also it looks like you are not using NAT, ie the ip address of your
computer
> is a valid address which means anyone can attempt to connect to your
> computer. If you don't have a firewall set up you are leaving yourself
open
> to many flavours of hacks.

I think NAT is on, the settings I have are

Ether net -> NAT

|20-A01 NAT...                 |
| Routing=Yes                  |
|>Profile=Demon               |
| FR address=0.0.0.0        |
| Static Mappings...           |
| Def Server=0.0.0.0           |
| Reuse last addr=Yes           |
| Reuse addr timeout=0       |


It would much appreciated if you can point out any obvious mistakes !

As an aside, since I have set this up, it seems to have interferrred with my
Outlook Express which gets stuck while checking a hotmial account and
finally says

The TCP/IP connection was unexpectedly terminated by the server

which I assume muct be directly related.  My TCP/IP settings are all set to
automatic.


Best regards

Charlie

"Charlieb" <peopleseemtospammefromgooglegroups@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Hi Iain
>
> Currently I having binned the whole eaststreet cheat attempt, I put the
> basic demon info like this
>
> Configure
>  ------------ EDIT ------------
> |Configure...                  |
> |>Switch Type=NET 3|
> | Chan Usage=Switch/Switch     |
> | My Num A= 01454315739        |
> | My Num B= 01454315739        |
> | SPID 1=                      |
> | SPID 2=                      |
> | Ans Voice Call=No            |
> | My Name=ndu-bellord|
> | My Addr=194.70.146.17/24| (my routers IP address as supplied by Demon)
> | Rem Name= Demon|
> | Rem Addr=158.152.1.222/16|(Demons router IP address)
> | Dial #=0844-0416677
> | Route=IP                     |
> | Bridge= No                   |
> | Send Auth=PAP                |
> | Send PW= ******              |
> | Recv Auth=PAP                |
> | Recv PW+ *****               |
> | Save=                        |
>
>
>
> which then filled in the IP options automatically with this result
>
>  Ethernet -> Connections -> Demon -> Ip options...
>

I think your LAN address is wrong, this should be the ip address of the
router on your LAN.

However as I said before, I think it's important that you use private ip
addresses on your LAN.

Can I suggest that you set your routers ip address to

192.168.1.1/24

via the Ethernet > Mod Config > Ether Options menu.

and hard code your PC to 192.168.1.2 with a mask of 255.255.255.0 and a
gateway of 192.168.1.1

also, if you set your PC to use DNS 158.152.1.58 & 158.152.1.43

this will config the LAN portion of your network.

also turn off the DHCP Spoofing as this attempts to allocate ip addresses to
your computer (we don't want that).

Once this is running you should be able to ping 192.168.1.1 from your
computer and get responses.
(You may also want to try the quick start application again at this point,
make sure that any telnet sessions are closed beforehand though)

Assuming quickstart still doesn't work we will need to configure NAT, this
converts your private LAN address to a public address

20-A01 NAT...
    >Routing=Yes
    Profile=Demon                 // This is the connection name, which I
think you have set as "Demon"
    Lan=194.70.146.17             // This option is missing on older routers
and single address NAT is the default
    FR address=0.0.0.0
    Static Mappings...
    Def Server=N/A
    Reuse last addr=N/A
    Reuse addr timeout=N/A


Finally on the Demon Ip options

Ip options...   LAN Adrs=192.168.1.1/24   WAN Alias=0.0.0.0              //
This could be set to 158.152.1.222 but it will get allocated automatically
on dial in   IF Adrs=194.70.146.17/30   Metric=0   Preference=2  Private=No
RIP=Off   Pool=0Hopefully this should work, but this is based on the manual
only so it may require further tweaking :-)Regards,Iain

Iain

Thankyou so much for taking the time to go through all of that.

I have changed those settings and it does now all seem to work correctly ie
fire up when i open a browser etc.

It still doesn't want to accept there is a pipeline connected when I try to
access it from the easy configurator, but I can live with that.

I'm not entirely sure getting a router has done anything to help my pings
etc so it looks like this is as good as it gets untill broadband is able to
reach the further flung corners attached to my exchange.

Any idea if I can get an icon into my system tray to confirm I am
connected - I've a feeling that is part and parcel of the
configurator/monitor, so I may have to do without that aswell and just keep
an eye on the blinking lights!

Thanks again

Charlie

"Iain McWilliams" <iain@duckend.org.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Charlieb" <peopleseemtospammefromgooglegroups@hotmail.com> wrote in
message
> news:b6j82e$da8$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> >
> > Hi Iain
> >
> > Currently I having binned the whole eaststreet cheat attempt, I put the
> > basic demon info like this
> >
> > Configure
> >  ------------ EDIT ------------
> > |Configure...                  |
> > |>Switch Type=NET 3|
> > | Chan Usage=Switch/Switch     |
> > | My Num A= 01454315739        |
> > | My Num B= 01454315739        |
> > | SPID 1=                      |
> > | SPID 2=                      |
> > | Ans Voice Call=No            |
> > | My Name=ndu-bellord|
> > | My Addr=194.70.146.17/24| (my routers IP address as supplied by Demon)
> > | Rem Name= Demon|
> > | Rem Addr=158.152.1.222/16|(Demons router IP address)
> > | Dial #=0844-0416677
> > | Route=IP                     |
> > | Bridge= No                   |
> > | Send Auth=PAP                |
> > | Send PW= ******              |
> > | Recv Auth=PAP                |
> > | Recv PW+ *****               |
> > | Save=                        |
> >
> >
> >
> > which then filled in the IP options automatically with this result
> >
> >  Ethernet -> Connections -> Demon -> Ip options...
> >
>
> I think your LAN address is wrong, this should be the ip address of the
> router on your LAN.
>
> However as I said before, I think it's important that you use private ip
> addresses on your LAN.
>
> Can I suggest that you set your routers ip address to
>
> 192.168.1.1/24
>
> via the Ethernet > Mod Config > Ether Options menu.
>
> and hard code your PC to 192.168.1.2 with a mask of 255.255.255.0 and a
> gateway of 192.168.1.1
>
> also, if you set your PC to use DNS 158.152.1.58 & 158.152.1.43
>
> this will config the LAN portion of your network.
>
> also turn off the DHCP Spoofing as this attempts to allocate ip addresses
to
> your computer (we don't want that).
>
> Once this is running you should be able to ping 192.168.1.1 from your
> computer and get responses.
> (You may also want to try the quick start application again at this point,
> make sure that any telnet sessions are closed beforehand though)
>
> Assuming quickstart still doesn't work we will need to configure NAT, this
> converts your private LAN address to a public address
>
> 20-A01 NAT...
>     >Routing=Yes
>     Profile=Demon                 // This is the connection name, which I
> think you have set as "Demon"
>     Lan=194.70.146.17             // This option is missing on older
routers
> and single address NAT is the default
>     FR address=0.0.0.0
>     Static Mappings...
>     Def Server=N/A
>     Reuse last addr=N/A
>     Reuse addr timeout=N/A
>
>
> Finally on the Demon Ip options
>
> Ip options...   LAN Adrs=192.168.1.1/24   WAN Alias=0.0.0.0
//
> This could be set to 158.152.1.222 but it will get allocated automatically
> on dial in   IF Adrs=194.70.146.17/30   Metric=0   Preference=2
Private=No
> RIP=Off   Pool=0Hopefully this should work, but this is based on the
manual
> only so it may require further tweaking :-)Regards,Iain
>
>

In article <b6j82e$da8$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>
           peopleseemtospammefromgooglegroups@hotmail.com "Charlieb" writes:

> Hi Iain
> 
> Currently I having binned the whole eaststreet cheat attempt, I put the
> basic demon info like this

[snip]

> | Send Auth=PAP                |
> | Send PW= ******              |

That's fine (not that I know anything about this router); anyway, it
appears to be configuring the router to require it to use PAP when
connecting to Demon, which is what you want.

> | Recv Auth=PAP                |
> | Recv PW+ *****               |

However, I would question the wisdom of the above: surely, it now
requires Demon's end to "log in" with your end, using PAP.  I doubt very
much that it will try to do this :-)  Is there not a "None" option for
"Recv Auth"?

-- 
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}                                          bhk@dsl.co.uk
    "We can no longer stand apart from Europe if we would.  Yet we are
    untrained to mix with our neighbours, or even talk to them".
                                              George Macaulay Trevelyan, 1919

"Charlieb" <peopleseemtospammefromgooglegroups@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Iain
>
> Thankyou so much for taking the time to go through all of that.
>
> I have changed those settings and it does now all seem to work correctly
ie
> fire up when i open a browser etc.
>
> It still doesn't want to accept there is a pipeline connected when I try
to
> access it from the easy configurator, but I can live with that.

It could be down to the age of the router, by the sounds of it you have an
early model there.

> I'm not entirely sure getting a router has done anything to help my pings
> etc so it looks like this is as good as it gets untill broadband is able
to
> reach the further flung corners attached to my exchange.

On ndu here pings to 158.152.1.222 is approx 28ms what are you seeing?

> Any idea if I can get an icon into my system tray to confirm I am
> connected - I've a feeling that is part and parcel of the
> configurator/monitor, so I may have to do without that aswell and just
keep
> an eye on the blinking lights!

I doubt it, as your computer doesn't know anything about the router. It's
just on a network that happens to be connected to the internet.

Regards,
Iain

"Iain McWilliams" <iain@duckend.org.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Charlieb" <peopleseemtospammefromgooglegroups@hotmail.com> wrote in
message
> news:b6kah0$1i3$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
> > Iain
> >
> > Thankyou so much for taking the time to go through all of that.
> >
> > I have changed those settings and it does now all seem to work correctly
> ie
> > fire up when i open a browser etc.
> >
> > It still doesn't want to accept there is a pipeline connected when I try
> to
> > access it from the easy configurator, but I can live with that.
>
> It could be down to the age of the router, by the sounds of it you have an
> early model there.
>
> > I'm not entirely sure getting a router has done anything to help my
pings
> > etc so it looks like this is as good as it gets untill broadband is able
> to
> > reach the further flung corners attached to my exchange.
>
> On ndu here pings to 158.152.1.222 is approx 28ms what are you seeing?
>
> > Any idea if I can get an icon into my system tray to confirm I am
> > connected - I've a feeling that is part and parcel of the
> > configurator/monitor, so I may have to do without that aswell and just
> keep
> > an eye on the blinking lights!
>
> I doubt it, as your computer doesn't know anything about the router. It's
> just on a network that happens to be connected to the internet.
>
> Regards,
> Iain
>
>
I recently saw a mention of freeware/shareware that would give you the
blinking light effect, it tested by pinging a remote address on a regular
basis to determine the state of the link. Sadly neither a quick look back,
nor a Google threw such a thing up easily, but if there is one out there,
there will be several - good hunting!

Have fun,
Glyn

> > | Recv Auth=PAP                |
> > | Recv PW+ *****               |
>
> However, I would question the wisdom of the above: surely, it now
> requires Demon's end to "log in" with your end, using PAP.  I doubt very
> much that it will try to do this :-)  Is there not a "None" option for
> "Recv Auth"?


Good point - thanks Brian, I have changed it

Charlie

In article <b6q0n3$hf2$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>
           peopleseemtospammefromgooglegroups@hotmail.com "Charlieb" writes:

> 
> > > | Recv Auth=PAP                |
> > > | Recv PW+ *****               |
> >
> > However, I would question the wisdom of the above: surely, it now
> > requires Demon's end to "log in" with your end, using PAP.  I doubt very
> > much that it will try to do this :-)  Is there not a "None" option for
> > "Recv Auth"?
> 
> 
> Good point - thanks Brian, I have changed it

Somehow or other, that leapt out at me.  I became only too familiar with
that particular error, when I configured KA9Q (DOS IP connectivity
software) to use PAP when I switched to ISDN, and made the equivalent
error.  I found that, whilst it worked OK with the then Red and Green
(IIRC) ROMPs, it failed with the Purple one (or maybe the other way
round).  Whichever, it's obviously wrong to expect Demon to authenticate
themselves with you; one only gets away with it because some of the ROMPs
totally ignore the invitation to send PAP, whereas another (or more)
rejects that configuration option and closes the connection.

-- 
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}                                          bhk@dsl.co.uk
    "We can no longer stand apart from Europe if we would.  Yet we are
    untrained to mix with our neighbours, or even talk to them".
                                              George Macaulay Trevelyan, 1919

>It could be down to the age of the router, by the sounds of it you have an
early model there.

My model seems to be a newer one as it doesn't have a power switch which is
meant to be one of of telling and it is also running very new software, but
who knows

> On ndu here pings to 158.152.1.222 is approx 28ms what are you seeing?

Oh for a ping of 28!  Here in sunny south glos I am getting pings of 55 on
average on ndu, but occasionally it is as bad as 200 :-(  I guess thats it
untill broadband reaches my farm!  This whole connection thing seems to be
costing me a lot of money both in terms of work and the running/setup costs.

Even though my exchange is enabled for broadband, we are 6 km from the
exchange which is apparantly physically impossible, however I hear BT have
announced they are to increase availability to 90% which I hope means they
have some way of servicing places like here

I have also heard the utility companies are going to use the power grid to
offer broadband but currently there are only pilot schemes it obscure
Hebridean villages!

I guess I could always rent office space in Bath or Bristol until such time
but that kind of defeats the object of the exercise having escaped London to
live in the country.

By the way my in reference to other posts about the possibility of there
being a BT exchange  problem with the service, my local exchange is Yate and
I too have dubious connection qualities in the afternoons where it seems to
be considerably worse than the mornings.

Thanks again for all your help

Fingers crossed that the wait for broadband isn't too long!

Charlie

On Mon, 7 Apr 2003 06:27:59 +0000 (UTC), bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian
{Hamilton Kelly}) wrote:

>when I configured KA9Q (DOS IP connectivity
>software) 

Ahh - that brings back fond memories, Brian.
Halcyon days...
-- 
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Karma Chameleon Phone: <http://www.ThisBritain.com/karma>

"Charlieb" <peopleseemtospammefromgooglegroups@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >It could be down to the age of the router, by the sounds of it you have
an
> early model there.
>
> My model seems to be a newer one as it doesn't have a power switch which
is
> meant to be one of of telling and it is also running very new software,
but
> who knows
>
> > On ndu here pings to 158.152.1.222 is approx 28ms what are you seeing?
>
> Oh for a ping of 28!  Here in sunny south glos I am getting pings of 55 on
> average on ndu, but occasionally it is as bad as 200 :-(  I guess thats it
> untill broadband reaches my farm!  This whole connection thing seems to be
> costing me a lot of money both in terms of work and the running/setup
costs.

It sounds as though you are only using a single channel. I get a much better
ping when connected at 128K compared to 64K. Does the pipeline have any leds
that indicate how many channels are in use?

Iain

> It sounds as though you are only using a single channel. I get a much
better
> ping when connected at 128K compared to 64K. Does the pipeline have any
leds
> that indicate how many channels are in use?
>

I've set it up so that it always connects both channels for which it
confirms they are both up and quality good

In fact I've just changed it to check the ping on one channel and the ping
is
about the same, the only discernable difference is that it is connected
at 64 rather than 128

Charlie

"Charlieb" <charliebellordat@hotmaildot.com> wrote in message
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>
> > It sounds as though you are only using a single channel. I get a much
> better
> > ping when connected at 128K compared to 64K. Does the pipeline have any
> leds
> > that indicate how many channels are in use?
> >
>
> I've set it up so that it always connects both channels for which it
> confirms they are both up and quality good
>
> In fact I've just changed it to check the ping on one channel and the ping
> is
> about the same, the only discernable difference is that it is connected
> at 64 rather than 128

Ooops my mistake, there must have been some other traffic when I tested 64K
last time because I'm getting the same results now.

128K

Ping statistics for 158.152.1.222:
    Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 28ms, Maximum = 32ms, Average = 29ms

and 64K

Ping statistics for 158.152.1.222:
    Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 26ms, Maximum = 44ms, Average = 28ms

I wonder if compression could be reducing the ping time? Try setting the
ascend (ppp options) to

Link Comp=ms-stac
VJ Comp=Yes

and configuring the same on
https://www.password.uk.demon.net/webpassword.cgi

Regards,
Iain