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"Charlieb" <peopleseemtospammefromgooglegroups@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> I am on 128 channel bonding ISDN through BTs home highway and using Demon
as
> my ISP.
>
> I need to bin the USB as it keeps messing up my system and I thought
rather
> than get a TA I would go the whole hog and get a router which I have heard
> are better all round for pings etc.

Pinging the gateway at demon via a router

Pinging 158.152.1.222 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 158.152.1.222: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=254
Reply from 158.152.1.222: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=254
Reply from 158.152.1.222: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=254
Reply from 158.152.1.222: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=254

This is on a 128K NDU connection.

Although I would imagine an internal isdn card would give you similar
figures.

> My question is, does it matter which router I go for, are all "ISDN
routers"
> going to do the job.  Are there anythings to avoid and are there any must
> haves etc.

In the main, a router is a router. There are subtle differences though, I'm
currently in the process of replacing a Zyxel Prestige 202 with a Cisco 803.
The reason being that the Zyxel has "issues" with compression, especially on
128K connections, the consesus being that the processor in the zyxel cannot
keep up and has to drop packets.

> What do you guys use and what can you recommend.

As I said I'm moving to a cisco 80x which will cope admirably, approx �80
from ebay.

> I am fairly proficient at setting things up, but I don't want to end up
with
> something that requires a degree in computer engineering to set up!!

This is where the cisco may fall down, it's IOS is a lot more complex than
the zyxel/netgear config.

Regards,
Iain

Thanks Iain

That is really helpful and exactly the info I needed, I had read cisco can
be complicated to set up.

I f I get zyxel/netgear how much will the  "issues" with compression affect
me, especially as I use a128K connection?  Obviously it has affected you
enough to want to change to the cisco.

My pings at the moment are 80 - 100 so I'm looking at a significant
difference - I hope.

Best regards

Charlie


"Iain McWilliams" <iain@duckend.org.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Charlieb" <peopleseemtospammefromgooglegroups@hotmail.com> wrote in
message
> news:b4dccv$m49$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> > Hi
> >
> > I am on 128 channel bonding ISDN through BTs home highway and using
Demon
> as
> > my ISP.
> >
> > I need to bin the USB as it keeps messing up my system and I thought
> rather
> > than get a TA I would go the whole hog and get a router which I have
heard
> > are better all round for pings etc.
>
> Pinging the gateway at demon via a router
>
> Pinging 158.152.1.222 with 32 bytes of data:
>
> Reply from 158.152.1.222: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=254
> Reply from 158.152.1.222: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=254
> Reply from 158.152.1.222: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=254
> Reply from 158.152.1.222: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=254
>
> This is on a 128K NDU connection.
>
> Although I would imagine an internal isdn card would give you similar
> figures.
>
> > My question is, does it matter which router I go for, are all "ISDN
> routers"
> > going to do the job.  Are there anythings to avoid and are there any
must
> > haves etc.
>
> In the main, a router is a router. There are subtle differences though,
I'm
> currently in the process of replacing a Zyxel Prestige 202 with a Cisco
803.
> The reason being that the Zyxel has "issues" with compression, especially
on
> 128K connections, the consesus being that the processor in the zyxel
cannot
> keep up and has to drop packets.
>
> > What do you guys use and what can you recommend.
>
> As I said I'm moving to a cisco 80x which will cope admirably, approx �80
> from ebay.
>
> > I am fairly proficient at setting things up, but I don't want to end up
> with
> > something that requires a degree in computer engineering to set up!!
>
> This is where the cisco may fall down, it's IOS is a lot more complex than
> the zyxel/netgear config.
>
> Regards,
> Iain
>
>

"Charlieb" <peopleseemtospammefromgooglegroups@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b4g3nt$fjf$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Thanks Iain
>
> That is really helpful and exactly the info I needed, I had read cisco can
> be complicated to set up.
>
> I f I get zyxel/netgear how much will the  "issues" with compression
affect
> me, especially as I use a128K connection?  Obviously it has affected you
> enough to want to change to the cisco.
>
> My pings at the moment are 80 - 100 so I'm looking at a significant
> difference - I hope.

Charlie,

If you only have one computer I would be tempted to plug a isdn card into
it. The Asuscom is highly regarded amongst gamers as having low pings and is
only around �20.

With NDU/Super Showroom there is no point configuring compression with a
zyxel prestige as either at best it will give up on compression after a high
speed download or at worst will hang and need a reboot.

Regards,
Iain

Iain

I have actually got an asuscom TA pci but for some reason or other that
doesn't work either.  PC says its connected at 128 but when I ping it times
out on 3 out of 4.  (I'm not sure why but think it may be something to do
with an ethernet card I had a while ago whose drivers I cannot delete.)

I'm not gaming, but trading markets which still benefit from the highest
ping, and I have data constantly coming in at 128.  I use it purely and only
for this ie no voice/fax calls etc.

Sorry for my ignorance, but what is compression is it something to do with
voice calls in which case i won't be affected?  Otherwise from the sound of
what you say, it will affect me, and the last thing I want is to hang in the
middle of a trade!

Best regards

Charlie

"Iain McWilliams" <iain@duckend.org.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Charlieb" <peopleseemtospammefromgooglegroups@hotmail.com> wrote in
message
> news:b4g3nt$fjf$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> > Thanks Iain
> >
> > That is really helpful and exactly the info I needed, I had read cisco
can
> > be complicated to set up.
> >
> > I f I get zyxel/netgear how much will the  "issues" with compression
> affect
> > me, especially as I use a128K connection?  Obviously it has affected you
> > enough to want to change to the cisco.
> >
> > My pings at the moment are 80 - 100 so I'm looking at a significant
> > difference - I hope.
>
> Charlie,
>
> If you only have one computer I would be tempted to plug a isdn card into
> it. The Asuscom is highly regarded amongst gamers as having low pings and
is
> only around �20.
>
> With NDU/Super Showroom there is no point configuring compression with a
> zyxel prestige as either at best it will give up on compression after a
high
> speed download or at worst will hang and need a reboot.
>
> Regards,
> Iain
>
>

"Charlieb" <peopleseemtospammefromgooglegroups@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b4gc30$o7$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Iain
>
> I have actually got an asuscom TA pci but for some reason or other that
> doesn't work either.  PC says its connected at 128 but when I ping it
times
> out on 3 out of 4.  (I'm not sure why but think it may be something to do
> with an ethernet card I had a while ago whose drivers I cannot delete.)

By all means go for the router but you may want to devot a weekend to
re-installing windows if the network is that messed up.

> I'm not gaming, but trading markets which still benefit from the highest
> ping, and I have data constantly coming in at 128.  I use it purely and
only
> for this ie no voice/fax calls etc.
>
> Sorry for my ignorance, but what is compression is it something to do with
> voice calls in which case i won't be affected?  Otherwise from the sound
of
> what you say, it will affect me, and the last thing I want is to hang in
the
> middle of a trade!

Compression is a bit like squeezing a quart into a pint pot. However it will
slightly increase latency but give faster downloads on text based surfing or
newsgroup articles and emails.

If compression is turned off the the zyxel is fine with demon. Mine is
scheduled to go on line at 7:00 each morning and remains so until 18:00 with
few problems, however because I'm seeing some packet loss at the router that
I suspect to be caused by a slow processor I've just bought a cisco router
from ebay to test out that theory.

Regards,
Iain

In message <b4dccv$m49$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Charlieb 
<peopleseemtospammefromgooglegroups@hotmail.com> writes
>Hi
>
>I am on 128 channel bonding ISDN through BTs home highway and using Demon as
>my ISP.
>
>I need to bin the USB as it keeps messing up my system and I thought rather
>than get a TA I would go the whole hog and get a router which I have heard
>are better all round for pings etc.
>
>My question is, does it matter which router I go for, are all "ISDN routers"
>going to do the job.  Are there anythings to avoid and are there any must
>haves etc.
>
>What do you guys use and what can you recommend.
>
>I am fairly proficient at setting things up, but I don't want to end up with
>something that requires a degree in computer engineering to set up!!
>
>All advice/suggestions much appreciated as there are so many out there I
>just don't know where to start!
>
>Cheers
>
>Charlie
>
>

I too have a Zyxel Prestige 202 - so please forgive my opportunism to 
ask a question about an issue which defeats me.

I can only get it to work at 64 and can't find a way to bond at 128 - 
tho have to admit that my knowledge in this area is about good enough 
only to read the manual!

I will need to switch between 64 and 128 because my ISDN phone system is 
on the same line(s) and for much of the time I need to keep on 'line' 
open for voice calls.


-- 
Ralph Selby
RalphSelby@RalphSelby.com

Iain

You are telling me something that deep down I have prolly been avoiding!

So thanks for spurring me on to get on with the clean install - all done
now.  System seems to be performing better.

I may still get a router if I can find a bargain on ebay!

Cheers

Charlie

"Iain McWilliams" <iain@duckend.org.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Charlieb" <peopleseemtospammefromgooglegroups@hotmail.com> wrote in
message
> news:b4gc30$o7$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> > Iain
> >
> > I have actually got an asuscom TA pci but for some reason or other that
> > doesn't work either.  PC says its connected at 128 but when I ping it
> times
> > out on 3 out of 4.  (I'm not sure why but think it may be something to
do
> > with an ethernet card I had a while ago whose drivers I cannot delete.)
>
> By all means go for the router but you may want to devot a weekend to
> re-installing windows if the network is that messed up.
>
> > I'm not gaming, but trading markets which still benefit from the highest
> > ping, and I have data constantly coming in at 128.  I use it purely and
> only
> > for this ie no voice/fax calls etc.
> >
> > Sorry for my ignorance, but what is compression is it something to do
with
> > voice calls in which case i won't be affected?  Otherwise from the sound
> of
> > what you say, it will affect me, and the last thing I want is to hang in
> the
> > middle of a trade!
>
> Compression is a bit like squeezing a quart into a pint pot. However it
will
> slightly increase latency but give faster downloads on text based surfing
or
> newsgroup articles and emails.
>
> If compression is turned off the the zyxel is fine with demon. Mine is
> scheduled to go on line at 7:00 each morning and remains so until 18:00
with
> few problems, however because I'm seeing some packet loss at the router
that
> I suspect to be caused by a slow processor I've just bought a cisco router
> from ebay to test out that theory.
>
> Regards,
> Iain
>
>