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OK, here's a question:

Does anyone know whether there will be a G3 300mhz desktop
configuration, maybe with DVD-Rom drive?

You can get them from the Apple Store in the US but I've only read about
the mini-tower version in UK media which will be high-end (2 hard
drives, graphics cards, 128mb RAM, etc)...

I'm on the verge of getting a 266mhz desktop but am not sure whether to
wait to see how these new Macs pan out...

Many thanks,
Matti.

Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> I assume the lack of questions in this group is a demonstration of how
> 'problem free' Macs are?
> 
> or is everyone on holiday?
> 
> I've got a couple of thousand hours to kill, think I'll see if there is a
> demon.tech.pc group.


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In article <3517F342.9341446D@teaftech.demon.co.uk>,
Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>I assume the lack of questions in this group is a demonstration of how
>'problem free' Macs are?

Every now and again there's a "I wonder why it did that?" moment and I'm
very interested to hear about people's adventures when migrating to OS8-
there are some problems aren't there? And running newish software on very
old Macs is another interesting subject. But actual problems with a Mac are
relatively few, that's true.  

-- 
Peter

Matthew Greenfield wrote:
> 
> OK, here's a question:
> 
> Does anyone know whether there will be a G3 300mhz desktop
> configuration, maybe with DVD-Rom drive?
> 
> You can get them from the Apple Store in the US but I've only read about
> the mini-tower version in UK media which will be high-end (2 hard
> drives, graphics cards, 128mb RAM, etc)...
> 
> I'm on the verge of getting a 266mhz desktop but am not sure whether to
> wait to see how these new Macs pan out...

The Apple store concept is to be extended into Europe soon, (strong rumour),
so you should be able to ask for any spec you want including DVD.

G4 range and high end G3's will be late 1998, but if you wait... something
else will appear on the horizon.

Buy it now!  and buy some Apple shares too!

Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> I assume the lack of questions in this group is a demonstration of how
> 'problem free' Macs are?
> 
> or is everyone on holiday?
> 
> I've got a couple of thousand hours to kill, think I'll see if there is a
> demon.tech.pc group.


I've got a problem that might fill somebody's time up. I think it might
be application related though. I use a program called ArtPro (it's a bit
like Illustrator 1000.0 might be like, it costs an arm and a leg and
it's dongle protected). When I copy something (which is not a thing it
does very well) the application quits with an unkown error. It may be
system related as I have had a lot of problems copying in Quark 4.0 as
well. My colleague runs Artpro on a PM9600/300 OS8.0 with no problems at
all, the only difference with mine is that its a 266mhz G3 and it has
slightly more memory. The machine does have another ADB device on - a
radius calibrator for the monitor but I wouldn't have thought it would
manifest itself in a problem with copying.

Alan

Peter Ceresole <peter@cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <3517F342.9341446D@teaftech.demon.co.uk>,
> Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> >I assume the lack of questions in this group is a demonstration of how
> >'problem free' Macs are?
> 
> Every now and again there's a "I wonder why it did that?" moment and I'm
> very interested to hear about people's adventures when migrating to OS8-
> there are some problems aren't there? And running newish software on very
> old Macs is another interesting subject. But actual problems with a Mac are
> relatively few, that's true.  
> 
> -- 
> Peter

I don't think macs are trouble free but they stand up to problems better
and they don't suffer from poor installation. When PCs start to go wrong
they seem to go down completely. We upgraded to NT v4 last year and
after three days the icons and buttons/menus stopped functioning
correctly. The system was totally screwed even after a reinstall. Had to
pluck up courage to start amending registers which eventually fixed it.
Since then it has run like a dream and hasn't crashed once since then.
The Macs have crashed a thousand times since then but we've only had one
or two serious problems with 15 Macs and many of those are disk related
(because we do graphics and they sustain a lot of use).

In all I think OS 8 is pretty stable and so is the upgrade. I know there
have been horror stories but I think it's all scaremongering.

> I've got a problem that might fill somebody's time up.

I wish I'd never asked

> I think it might
> be application related though. I use a program called ArtPro (it's a bit
> like Illustrator 1000.0 might be like, it costs an arm and a leg and
> it's dongle protected). When I copy something (which is not a thing it
> does very well) the application quits with an unkown error. It may be
> system related as I have had a lot of problems copying in Quark 4.0 as
> well. My colleague runs Artpro on a PM9600/300 OS8.0 with no problems at
> all, the only difference with mine is that its a 266mhz G3 and it has
> slightly more memory. The machine does have another ADB device on - a
> radius calibrator for the monitor but I wouldn't have thought it would
> manifest itself in a problem with copying.

Bit above my head I think but..

Are you copying a file or part of an image?

The 9600's processor and the G3 are quite different and I belive handle
Floating point calculations in a different way.  This might be significant as
I have heard that the 9600 is still superior to the 266 G3 for Photoshop!


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Alan Guest <alan@macropolis.demon.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]
> I've got a problem that might fill somebody's time up. I think it might
> be application related though. I use a program called ArtPro (it's a bit
> like Illustrator 1000.0 might be like, it costs an arm and a leg and
> it's dongle protected). When I copy something (which is not a thing it
> does very well) the application quits with an unkown error. It may be
> system related as I have had a lot of problems copying in Quark 4.0 as
> well.

I'd guess that the problem is caused by bugs in the applications which
manifest themselves because of the particular peculiarities of your Mac.

For example, MacGS View does that kind of thing on lots of 68k Macs when
you do unreasonable things like move the console window.  Unfortunately,
it's developed on a PowerMac which never, ever, ever does anything like
that.  The developer is suffering a major case of bafflement.

[snip]

Rowland.
(not actually being all that helpful really)

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Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> I assume the lack of questions in this group is a demonstration of how
> 'problem free' Macs are?
> 
> or is everyone on holiday?
> 
> I've got a couple of thousand hours to kill, think I'll see if there is a
> demon.tech.pc group.

Ok then, can anyone explain why some extensions (e.g. AppleScript)
have horizontally-oriented "jigsaw" icons , but others (Quicktime) are
vertically-oriented?

I don't know, honest!, but I reakon if there is a reason, then it's
a good bit of MacTrivia(tm).

ObMoreSeriousd.t.m: I just replaced my old GeoPort with a GV 56K modem
tonight - 3 mins from box open to connect, including re-boot and choose
new modem in Modem Control Panel - it "just did it" :-)

rgds, Alan
-- 

Alan W. Frame <alan.frame@acm.org> wrote:

> Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > I assume the lack of questions in this group is a demonstration of how
> > 'problem free' Macs are?
> > 
> > or is everyone on holiday?
> > 
> > I've got a couple of thousand hours to kill, think I'll see if there is a
> > demon.tech.pc group.
> 
> Ok then, can anyone explain why some extensions (e.g. AppleScript)
> have horizontally-oriented "jigsaw" icons , but others (Quicktime) are
> vertically-oriented?
> 
> I don't know, honest!, but I reakon if there is a reason, then it's
> a good bit of MacTrivia(tm).

Yes, I've always wondered that too!

> ObMoreSeriousd.t.m: I just replaced my old GeoPort with a GV 56K modem
> tonight - 3 mins from box open to connect, including re-boot and choose
> new modem in Modem Control Panel - it "just did it" :-)
> 
> rgds, Alan


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matti@grnfield.u-net.com

Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> > I've got a problem that might fill somebody's time up.
> 
> I wish I'd never asked
> 
> > I think it might
> > be application related though. I use a program called ArtPro (it's a bit
> > like Illustrator 1000.0 might be like, it costs an arm and a leg and
> > it's dongle protected). When I copy something (which is not a thing it
> > does very well) the application quits with an unkown error. It may be
> > system related as I have had a lot of problems copying in Quark 4.0 as
> > well. My colleague runs Artpro on a PM9600/300 OS8.0 with no problems at
> > all, the only difference with mine is that its a 266mhz G3 and it has
> > slightly more memory. The machine does have another ADB device on - a
> > radius calibrator for the monitor but I wouldn't have thought it would
> > manifest itself in a problem with copying.
> 
> Bit above my head I think but..
> 
> Are you copying a file or part of an image?

Just copying to the clipboard any element except - surprisingly - text.
I can't say as I've had a problem with text.
> 
> The 9600's processor and the G3 are quite different and I belive handle
> Floating point calculations in a different way.  This might be significant as
> I have heard that the 9600 is still superior to the 266 G3 for Photoshop!

Well, I can't say as I've noticed any deterioration in speed (I did work
on the 9600 previous to the G3). You've sparked my curiosity now. I'm
going to test it tomorrow. If it's slower - I might swap. I'm pretty
satisfied with the G3 but I think the vendor had certain things loaded
on it prior to us acquiring it so I would hazard a guess that something
is clashing with something else. Too busy to reload the system just yet
though!

ArtPro is a well written piece of software with one or two minor
glitches but on the whole it does the job of specialised high-end
workstation solutions such as Barco or Dalim which cost tens of
thousands of pounds. What is surpising is the installation of it - 1 CD
- 1 application file and about 5 prefs files that belong in the same
folder. Who says you need four thousand files for a program! Microsoft
eat your heart out. It could be just ArtPro that has a problem with the
clipboard on the G3 but I have had bad crashes in Quark after a few
clipboard operations (and updating placed pictures in batches of any
more than ten).

Alan

Alan W. Frame <alan.frame@acm.org> wrote:

> 
> ObMoreSeriousd.t.m: I just replaced my old GeoPort with a GV 56K modem
> tonight - 3 mins from box open to connect, including re-boot and choose
> new modem in Modem Control Panel - it "just did it" :-)
> 
> rgds, Alan

Try that on a PC and Win95!!!!  [Note:- make sure you have a whole spare
afternoon or evening before opening the modem box.]
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