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In article <3503C163.429C1207@teaftech.demon.co.uk>,
Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>I have upgraded to OS 8.1 and backed up my hard drive.  

The OS that you have updated was the American OS 8, was it?



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Dave Porter wrote:
> 
> In article <3503C163.429C1207@teaftech.demon.co.uk>,
> Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> >I have upgraded to OS 8.1 and backed up my hard drive.
> 
> The OS that you have updated was the American OS 8, was it?

No, I had British OS 8 and upgraded to British OS 8.1 (B-OS8.1)

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In article <350593C5.D6B07B0E@teaftech.demon.co.uk>,
Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>No, I had British OS 8 and upgraded to British OS 8.1 (B-OS8.1)

Okay, I asked because I wasn't aware that there was a British updater
available yet.

Have you downloaded an updater, or do you have an OS 8.1 British Version on
CD ROM?

If so where did you get it from? If not, I might have the answer to your
problem.

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Dave Porter <dave@wcbs.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <3503C163.429C1207@teaftech.demon.co.uk>,
> Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> >I have upgraded to OS 8.1 and backed up my hard drive.  
> 
> The OS that you have updated was the American OS 8, was it?

The british updater was released sometime last week...

> --

For the sepearator to work properly it needs a trailing space BTW.

Dave Porter <dave@wcbs.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Have you downloaded an updater, or do you have an OS 8.1 British Version on
> CD ROM?

I doubt and CDs have it yet, it's not on Macformat or World although one
of them said it would be there next month.

> If so where did you get it from? 

Apple I suspect, I'd advise using batchftp to get it though as usual.

Dave Porter <dave@wcbs.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <350593C5.D6B07B0E@teaftech.demon.co.uk>,
> Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> >No, I had British OS 8 and upgraded to British OS 8.1 (B-OS8.1)
> 
> Okay, I asked because I wasn't aware that there was a British updater
> available yet.
> 
> Have you downloaded an updater, or do you have an OS 8.1 British Version on
> CD ROM?
> 
> If so where did you get it from? If not, I might have the answer to your
> problem.
> 
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> Dave Porter  -  dave@wcbs.demon.co.uk  -  http://www.wcbs.demon.co.uk
> From Northumberland ... web design service now available.

Dave, a .sig separator is dash dash space.

The updater is on apples ftp sites. MacWorld promise it on their free
cover CD next month. It is about a 1hr 45 minute download with a 28.8
modem, so you may want to wait.

-- 
'ric

Dave Porter wrote:
> 
> In article <350593C5.D6B07B0E@teaftech.demon.co.uk>,
> Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> >No, I had British OS 8 and upgraded to British OS 8.1 (B-OS8.1)
> 
> Okay, I asked because I wasn't aware that there was a British updater
> available yet.
> 
> Have you downloaded an updater, or do you have an OS 8.1 British Version on
> CD ROM?
> 
> If so where did you get it from? If not, I might have the answer to your
> problem.
>
Dowloaded from Apple web site. 

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leaf@leaftech.demon.co.uk         |   James

Paul Womar wrote:
> 
> Dave Porter <dave@wcbs.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Have you downloaded an updater, or do you have an OS 8.1 British Version on
> > CD ROM?
> 
> I doubt and CDs have it yet, it's not on Macformat or World although one
> of them said it would be there next month.
> 
> > If so where did you get it from?
> 
> Apple I suspect, I'd advise using batchftp to get it though as usual.

Yes Apple.
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leaf@leaftech.demon.co.uk         |   James

In article <3507B9D4.14A8D96D@teaftech.demon.co.uk>,
Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>The updater folder at Apple contains an OS 8.1 disc tools image, with a cut
>down 8.1, Disc First Aid and Drive Setup 1.4.   Are these not enough?  surely
>they don't expect everyone to buy 8.1 on CD.

I don't know if that will be enough, I haven't downloaded the updater, nor
will I. Apple may well expect everyone to buy the OS 8.1 updater, however
I'd heard that it was a *free* update, but I doubt that includes a the CD
version.

Not everyone will want, or need, the HFS+ facility, but you will have to
have a hard copy of OS 8.1 somewhere so that you can boot / load from it.
You can not format a disk and then reformat it when it is active.

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In article <3506E1E6.160B2D0F@teaftech.demon.co.uk>,
Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>Dave Porter wrote:
>> If so where did you get it from? If not, I might have the answer to your
>> problem.
>>

>Dowloaded from Apple web site. 

Okay. I *think* I know what your problem is. To use HFS+ you have to
reformat your HD, but this I believe must be done from a disc that contains
the full OS 8.1. You can not format the disk with an older CD, i.e. OS 8,
and then update it, once it is formatted, that's it. The OS 8 CD will
format the HD in the *normal* way. Using a downloaded updater will mean
that the HFS+ feature will not be able to work.

Once you have formatted your disc with an OS 8.1 CD, if you need to reboot
from a CD at some later stage, only the OS 8.1 CD will work.

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In article <1d5q7fq.kfna8orla6qcN@stingray-filt-60.rmplc.co.uk>,
btgsch@rmplc.co.uk (ric) wrote:

>Dave, a .sig separator is dash dash space.

Okay, thnaks for that.

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In article <1d5paaa.1gzf8wj3rlwvaN@pwomar.demon.co.uk>,
Newsmaster@pwomar.demon.co.uk (Paul Womar) wrote:

>For the sepearator to work properly it needs a trailing space BTW.

I didn't know, thanks.

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Dave Porter wrote:
> 
> In article <3506E1E6.160B2D0F@teaftech.demon.co.uk>,
> Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Okay. I *think* I know what your problem is. To use HFS+ you have to
> reformat your HD, but this I believe must be done from a disc that contains
> the full OS 8.1. You can not format the disk with an older CD, i.e. OS 8,
> and then update it, once it is formatted, that's it. The OS 8 CD will
> format the HD in the *normal* way. Using a downloaded updater will mean
> that the HFS+ feature will not be able to work.

The updater folder at Apple contains an OS 8.1 disc tools image, with a cut
down 8.1, Disc First Aid and Drive Setup 1.4.   Are these not enough?  surely
they don't expect everyone to buy 8.1 on CD.

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LEAF TECHNICAL SERVICES LIMITED   |   I could live with being poor.
http://www.leaftech.demon.co.uk   |
leaf@leaftech.demon.co.uk         |   James

In article <3507B9D4.14A8D96D@teaftech.demon.co.uk>,
leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk wrote:

> Dave Porter wrote:
> > 
> > In article <3506E1E6.160B2D0F@teaftech.demon.co.uk>,
> > Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Okay. I *think* I know what your problem is. To use HFS+ you have to
> > reformat your HD, but this I believe must be done from a disc that contains
> > the full OS 8.1. You can not format the disk with an older CD, i.e. OS 8,
> > and then update it, once it is formatted, that's it. The OS 8 CD will
> > format the HD in the *normal* way. Using a downloaded updater will mean
> > that the HFS+ feature will not be able to work.
> 
> The updater folder at Apple contains an OS 8.1 disc tools image, with a cut
> down 8.1, Disc First Aid and Drive Setup 1.4.   Are these not enough?  surely
> they don't expect everyone to buy 8.1 on CD.
> 

There is a way round this, I installed 8,0 on a Zip disk, chucked away
some of the applications, upgraded it to 8.1, then used that as a startup
disk so I could do the necessary extended format on the hard disk.

Its a bit fiddly but it is possible.

 Dazzz

Dazzz wrote:
> 
> In article <3507B9D4.14A8D96D@teaftech.demon.co.uk>,
> leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk wrote:
> 
> > Dave Porter wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <3506E1E6.160B2D0F@teaftech.demon.co.uk>,
> > > Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Okay. I *think* I know what your problem is. To use HFS+ you have to
> > > reformat your HD, but this I believe must be done from a disc that contains
> > > the full OS 8.1. You can not format the disk with an older CD, i.e. OS 8,
> > > and then update it, once it is formatted, that's it. The OS 8 CD will
> > > format the HD in the *normal* way. Using a downloaded updater will mean
> > > that the HFS+ feature will not be able to work.
> >
> > The updater folder at Apple contains an OS 8.1 disc tools image, with a cut
> > down 8.1, Disc First Aid and Drive Setup 1.4.   Are these not enough?  surely
> > they don't expect everyone to buy 8.1 on CD.
> >
> 
> There is a way round this, I installed 8,0 on a Zip disk, chucked away
> some of the applications, upgraded it to 8.1, then used that as a startup
> disk so I could do the necessary extended format on the hard disk.
> 
> Its a bit fiddly but it is possible.

Sounds OK.  I have a Jazz 1 gig drive which is enough to back up everything I
have and use it as a start up disc.

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LEAF TECHNICAL SERVICES LIMITED   |   I could live with being poor.
http://www.leaftech.demon.co.uk   |
leaf@leaftech.demon.co.uk         |   James

In article <3507B9D4.14A8D96D@teaftech.demon.co.uk>,
Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>The updater folder at Apple contains an OS 8.1 disc tools image, with a cut
>down 8.1, Disc First Aid and Drive Setup 1.4.   Are these not enough?  surely
>they don't expect everyone to buy 8.1 on CD.

Having bought a Mac mag (Mac Addict) in the States yesterday complete with
a CD which contains a US updater, the descriptions in the mag seem to me to
make it quite clear that the CD-ROM updater contains what you need to do
the HFS+ formating. The 'disk tools PPC' folder on this one includes a 1Mb
OS 8.1 system folder so I guess that's the basis for the HFS+ reformating.

Their account of the experiences of their staffers doing the 8.1 upgrade
with HFS+ is rather scary. Two of them did so; one of them had major
problems, another had minor strange ones. The ones who went from 8.0 to 8.1
with the old filing system had no problems at all. They recommend the 8.1
upgrade but *not* going to HFS+, as yet; certainly not until there are 3rd
party utilities which can handle HFS+.

-- 
Peter

Dave Porter <dave@wcbs.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <3507B9D4.14A8D96D@teaftech.demon.co.uk>,
> Lawrence Flowers <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> >The updater folder at Apple contains an OS 8.1 disc tools image, with a cut
> >down 8.1, Disc First Aid and Drive Setup 1.4.   Are these not enough?  surely
> >they don't expect everyone to buy 8.1 on CD.
> 
> I don't know if that will be enough, I haven't downloaded the updater, nor
> will I. Apple may well expect everyone to buy the OS 8.1 updater, however
> I'd heard that it was a *free* update, but I doubt that includes a the CD
> version.
> 
> Not everyone will want, or need, the HFS+ facility, but you will have to
> have a hard copy of OS 8.1 somewhere so that you can boot / load from it.
> You can not format a disk and then reformat it when it is active.

so you back up, update to 8.1, copy the 8.1/first aid/ drive set up
image to floppy, reback up, boot from the said floppy and format your hd
using the drive set up, then restore your hd from backup. it works fine.

Simon Dobbs <std@revealer.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Dave Porter <dave@wcbs.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In article <3507B9D4.14A8D96D@teaftech.demon.co.uk>, Lawrence Flowers
> > <leaf@teaftech.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > >The updater folder at Apple contains an OS 8.1 disc tools image, with a
> > >cut down 8.1, Disc First Aid and Drive Setup 1.4.   Are these not
> > >enough?  surely they don't expect everyone to buy 8.1 on CD.
> > 
> > I don't know if that will be enough, I haven't downloaded the updater,
> > nor will I. Apple may well expect everyone to buy the OS 8.1 updater,
> > however I'd heard that it was a *free* update, but I doubt that includes
> > a the CD version.
> > 
> > Not everyone will want, or need, the HFS+ facility, but you will have to
> > have a hard copy of OS 8.1 somewhere so that you can boot / load from
> > it. You can not format a disk and then reformat it when it is active.
> 
> so you back up, update to 8.1, copy the 8.1/first aid/ drive set up image
> to floppy, reback up, boot from the said floppy and format your hd using
> the drive set up, then restore your hd from backup. it works fine.
nb forgot to mention, i made another floppy, without first aid or drive
set up (just the cut down system 8.1 folder), to give retrospect
sufficient space to make report, and booted from this when restoring my
hard disc