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Tony Voss <tv@antipole.demon.rats.co.uk> wrote:

> I am having problems opening Internet connections after a previous
> problem.  Typically NewsWatcher reports "error -3205", Internet Explorer 4
> reports "Attempt to load <x> failed", and Eudora gives "Error involving
> DNS 701" or "Error while initiating Open Transport {tcp; 1106}"  A restart
> is the only way to clear this.
[snip]
> I am running standard OS8.0 on a Mac 7200, but with FreePPP 2.5v2.  I had
> similar problems under OS7.5.x.  Most of my problems have cleared with the
> move to OS8, but this one remains.

Hmm...  First thing to try it FreePPP 2.6.whateveritisatthemoment - that
might help.

It's also worth turning off `Allow applications to connect' in FreePPP
Setup - that's caused no end of hassle for me.

And if you've got PPP Menu, burn it at the stake.

Rowland.


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Hi Tony

OS 8.0 and FreePPP do not get on to-gether, I am surprised that you can make
any connection at all.
Clear freePPP off your hard drive use Find,  then do a new install of  OS
8.0
set up again using the Apple Internet Install dont forget to get your IP
address off Demon.
best of connections to you

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In article <tv-0303982237480001@antipole.demon.co.uk>,
tv@antipole.demon.rats.co.uk (Tony Voss) wrote:


I am having problems opening Internet connections after a previous
problem.  Typically NewsWatcher reports "error -3205", Internet Explorer 4
reports "Attempt to load <x> failed", and Eudora gives "Error involving
DNS 701" or "Error while initiating Open Transport {tcp; 1106}"  A restart
is the only way to clear this.

These problems may happen if my PPP line drops and I have to reconnect. 
Interestingly, existing connections which can be maintained, such as a
download through IE4, resume successfully.

I recently started up Netscape (which I don't normally use) and it tried
to open a home page when I had no PPP line up.  Then when I did make a
connection, I got the above problems.

I am running standard OS8.0 on a Mac 7200, but with FreePPP 2.5v2.  I had
similar problems under OS7.5.x.  Most of my problems have cleared with the
move to OS8, but this one remains.

Any suggestions, please?  Please reply by email.

Many thanks

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Tony Voss <tv@antipole.demon.rats.co.uk> wrote:

> I am having problems opening Internet connections after a previous
> problem.  Typically NewsWatcher reports "error -3205", Internet Explorer 4
> reports "Attempt to load <x> failed", and Eudora gives "Error involving
> DNS 701" or "Error while initiating Open Transport {tcp; 1106}"  A restart
> is the only way to clear this.

Try goinf to the TCP/IP control pannel, setting User Mode to Advanced,
click the Options button and make sure TCP/IP is set to active and the
"Load only when needed" box is not checked.

Paul Womar <Newsmaster@pwomar.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Tony Voss <tv@antipole.demon.rats.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > I am having problems opening Internet connections after a previous
> > problem.  Typically NewsWatcher reports "error -3205", Internet Explorer 4
> > reports "Attempt to load <x> failed", and Eudora gives "Error involving
> > DNS 701" or "Error while initiating Open Transport {tcp; 1106}"  A restart
> > is the only way to clear this.
> 
> Try goinf to the TCP/IP control pannel, setting User Mode to Advanced,
> click the Options button and make sure TCP/IP is set to active and the
> "Load only when needed" box is not checked.

I've found that it causes the Mac to dial up the internet account at
startup if you do that.

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Alan Guest <alan@macropolis.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Paul Womar <Newsmaster@pwomar.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> > Try goinf to the TCP/IP control pannel, setting User Mode to Advanced,
> > click the Options button and make sure TCP/IP is set to active and the
> > "Load only when needed" box is not checked.
> 
> I've found that it causes the Mac to dial up the internet account at
> startup if you do that.

I don't think it should, do you have "Connect automatically when
starting TCP/IP applications" enabled in OT/PPP or whatever software you
use?

Paul Womar <Newsmaster@pwomar.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Alan Guest <alan@macropolis.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Paul Womar <Newsmaster@pwomar.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > > Try goinf to the TCP/IP control pannel, setting User Mode to Advanced,
> > > click the Options button and make sure TCP/IP is set to active and the
> > > "Load only when needed" box is not checked.
> > 
> > I've found that it causes the Mac to dial up the internet account at
> > startup if you do that.
> 
> I don't think it should, do you have "Connect automatically when
> starting TCP/IP applications" enabled in OT/PPP or whatever software you
> use?

Yes. It could well be that. It doesn't seem to make much difference.
I've found the modem control panel in OS8 has made a big difference but
TCP tends to drop-out sometimes for no apparent reason.

Alan

Paul Womar <Newsmaster@pwomar.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Alan Guest <alan@macropolis.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Paul Womar <Newsmaster@pwomar.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > > Try goinf to the TCP/IP control pannel, setting User Mode to Advanced,
> > > click the Options button and make sure TCP/IP is set to active and the
> > > "Load only when needed" box is not checked.
> > 
> > I've found that it causes the Mac to dial up the internet account at
> > startup if you do that.
> 
> I don't think it should, do you have "Connect automatically when
> starting TCP/IP applications" enabled in OT/PPP or whatever software you
> use?

I always get a connection on startup if I don't `load only when needed';
this is using FreePPP 2.6 and either setting of `allow applications to
connect'.

(Perf 475, Sys 7.6.1, OT 1.1.2)
Rowland.

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Rebecca and Rowland <real-address-in-sig@rhu.barb.foobar> wrote:

> Paul Womar <Newsmaster@pwomar.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Alan Guest <alan@macropolis.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > Paul Womar <Newsmaster@pwomar.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > > Try goinf to the TCP/IP control pannel, setting User Mode to Advanced,
> > > > click the Options button and make sure TCP/IP is set to active and the
> > > > "Load only when needed" box is not checked.
> > > 
> > > I've found that it causes the Mac to dial up the internet account at
> > > startup if you do that.
> > 
> > I don't think it should, do you have "Connect automatically when
> > starting TCP/IP applications" enabled in OT/PPP or whatever software you
> > use?
> 
> I always get a connection on startup if I don't `load only when needed';
> this is using FreePPP 2.6 and either setting of `allow applications to
> connect'.
> 
> (Perf 475, Sys 7.6.1, OT 1.1.2)
> Rowland.

Well, after all this discourse, I tried switching it so that it didn't
just load when needed and it caused all manner of problems. I'm not
using FreePPP anymore and there doesn't seem to be the option for
'allowing application to connect'. Even though it connects at startup,
it shows no improvement on the 'Load only when needed'. The symptoms
seem to be that a) PPP connects to Demon at startup and the modem
doesn't seem to function at all with PPP when it's started up in such a
way. The modem says it's connected but software can't find any
domains/nodes at all (it doesn't even send out any signal when looking
for them). Is it just me or does anybody actually use it in such a way
on PowerMac, OS8 using Apple's PPP and TCP/IP 1.2/OT 1.2?

Get a Copy of the OpenOT Extension off of the AOL 3.0 and put it in your
Extensions file.  For more info go to Macfixit.com and do a search for
OpenOT.

In article <1998030823283523470@macropolis.demon.co.uk>,
alan@macropolis.demon.co.uk (Alan Guest) wrote:

Rebecca and Rowland <real-address-in-sig@rhu.barb.foobar> wrote:

> Paul Womar <Newsmaster@pwomar.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Alan Guest <alan@macropolis.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > Paul Womar <Newsmaster@pwomar.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > > Try goinf to the TCP/IP control pannel, setting User Mode to Advanced,
> > > > click the Options button and make sure TCP/IP is set to active and the
> > > > "Load only when needed" box is not checked.
> > > 
> > > I've found that it causes the Mac to dial up the internet account at
> > > startup if you do that.
> > 
> > I don't think it should, do you have "Connect automatically when
> > starting TCP/IP applications" enabled in OT/PPP or whatever software you
> > use?
> 
> I always get a connection on startup if I don't `load only when needed';
> this is using FreePPP 2.6 and either setting of `allow applications to
> connect'.
> 
> (Perf 475, Sys 7.6.1, OT 1.1.2)
> Rowland.

Well, after all this discourse, I tried switching it so that it didn't
just load when needed and it caused all manner of problems. I'm not
using FreePPP anymore and there doesn't seem to be the option for
'allowing application to connect'. Even though it connects at startup,
it shows no improvement on the 'Load only when needed'. The symptoms
seem to be that a) PPP connects to Demon at startup and the modem
doesn't seem to function at all with PPP when it's started up in such a
way. The modem says it's connected but software can't find any
domains/nodes at all (it doesn't even send out any signal when looking
for them). Is it just me or does anybody actually use it in such a way
on PowerMac, OS8 using Apple's PPP and TCP/IP 1.2/OT 1.2?

Alan Guest <alan@macropolis.demon.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]
> Well, after all this discourse, I tried switching it so that it didn't
> just load when needed and it caused all manner of problems. I'm not
> using FreePPP anymore and there doesn't seem to be the option for
> 'allowing application to connect'. Even though it connects at startup,
> it shows no improvement on the 'Load only when needed'. The symptoms
> seem to be that a) PPP connects to Demon at startup and the modem
> doesn't seem to function at all with PPP when it's started up in such a
> way. The modem says it's connected but software can't find any
> domains/nodes at all (it doesn't even send out any signal when looking
> for them). Is it just me or does anybody actually use it in such a way
> on PowerMac, OS8 using Apple's PPP and TCP/IP 1.2/OT 1.2?

God only knows what the problem is.  The only thing I can think of
trying at the moment (aside from the normal re-build desktop, zap PRAM,
run Disk First Aid and Norton Disk Doctor merry-go-round) is removing
the TCP DNR file from your system folder and re-booting.  Sometimes it
gets corrupted.  I doubt it'll help, but you might as well try.

Rowland.

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In PPP do you have in Options setup the option set to" connect automatically
when starting TCP/IP Applications" turn on.

Make sure you use the latest connection script for your modem. and have it
choosen both in the "Modem" and Romote Acces" control panels.


Randy Nordstrom wrote:

> 
> Well, after all this discourse, I tried switching it so that it didn't
> just load when needed and it caused all manner of problems. I'm not
> using FreePPP anymore and there doesn't seem to be the option for
> 'allowing application to connect'. Even though it connects at startup,
> it shows no improvement on the 'Load only when needed'. The symptoms
> seem to be that a) PPP connects to Demon at startup and the modem
> doesn't seem to function at all with PPP when it's started up in such a
> way. The modem says it's connected but software can't find any
> domains/nodes at all (it doesn't even send out any signal when looking
> for them). Is it just me or does anybody actually use it in such a way
> on PowerMac, OS8 using Apple's PPP and TCP/IP 1.2/OT 1.2?

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Rebecca and Rowland <real-address-in-sig@rhu.barb.foobar> wrote:

> Alan Guest <alan@macropolis.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> > Well, after all this discourse, I tried switching it so that it didn't
> > just load when needed and it caused all manner of problems. I'm not
> > using FreePPP anymore and there doesn't seem to be the option for
> > 'allowing application to connect'. Even though it connects at startup,
> > it shows no improvement on the 'Load only when needed'. The symptoms
> > seem to be that a) PPP connects to Demon at startup and the modem
> > doesn't seem to function at all with PPP when it's started up in such a
> > way. The modem says it's connected but software can't find any
> > domains/nodes at all (it doesn't even send out any signal when looking
> > for them). Is it just me or does anybody actually use it in such a way
> > on PowerMac, OS8 using Apple's PPP and TCP/IP 1.2/OT 1.2?
> 
> God only knows what the problem is.  The only thing I can think of
> trying at the moment (aside from the normal re-build desktop, zap PRAM,
> run Disk First Aid and Norton Disk Doctor merry-go-round) is removing
> the TCP DNR file from your system folder and re-booting.  Sometimes it
> gets corrupted.  I doubt it'll help, but you might as well try.
> 
> Rowland.

Well, I first encountered it on my machine at home and I finally got
around it (although I didn't know how at the time) when I turned off
'allow applications to connect'. I don't think there's the option at all
on Apples PPP - it just does it whether you like it or not. We use
TCP/IP for networking at work and it works perfectly whether its loaded
all the time or only when needed (We're running amixture if OS 7.5.2 and
OS8.0)

On a different note, my Launcher has stopped working and it doesn't seem
to be the CDEV itself or the prefs as I have manually replaced these
with known working versions (to save reloading OS8 again). Anybody got
any ideas as to what things the launcher is dependent upon. It gives an
error -192.

Alan

Rebecca and Rowland wrote:
> 
> Alan Guest <alan@macropolis.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> > Well, after all this discourse, I tried switching it so that it didn't
> > just load when needed and it caused all manner of problems. I'm not
SNIPPED

My 8100 will similarly go through PPP dialling during start up if I have 
had a lost connection or needed to reboot BEFORE re-establishing my 
normal network connections (I am not allowed by my employer to be 
simultaneously connected to company network AND the internet - so I am 
regularly changing TCP IP address and network protocol).  Several 
applications can make TCP/IP calls to the operating system and if ANY of 
these loads early during startup, the TCP/IP stack is forced to make an 
"enquiry" of the network.  Itn my case at least, is these so-called enquiries 
that causes PPP to dial out.  I have found that if I time it right I CAN close 
the dialling out PPP connection by hitting the cancel button as soon as PPP 
starts to dial.  However the only way I have found to prevent the PPP 
dial-up occurring at all, is to hold down the space bar during start-up and 
use extensions manager to disable any extensions or applications which 
make TCP/IP calls.  (I believe Appletalk itself goes out over TCP/IP with 
sys 8 so YOU might need to disable the appletalk control panel as well as 
any e-mail programmes - which often sit in backgound looking out for 
incoming mail and regularly setting TCP IP calls off)

Better still is to start up with all extensions off and make your config 
changes to the appropriate control panels (these panels will tell you 
changes won't work until after re-boot but will usually still allow you to 
make them).

If this don't help - I tried!

Steve Parker
 steve@parkfish.demon.co.uk

Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. <pjones@kimbanet.com> wrote:

> In PPP do you have in Options setup the option set to" connect automatically
> when starting TCP/IP Applications" turn on.
> 
> Make sure you use the latest connection script for your modem. and have it
> choosen both in the "Modem" and Romote Acces" control panels.
> 
> 
> Randy Nordstrom wrote:

I've found it now. Cheers. I was looking out for the same wording as on
FreePPP and I missed it. I've not seen if it works any better yet
though.

Alan

Alan Guest <alan@macropolis.demon.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

> On a different note, my Launcher has stopped working and it doesn't seem
> to be the CDEV itself or the prefs as I have manually replaced these
> with known working versions (to save reloading OS8 again). Anybody got
> any ideas as to what things the launcher is dependent upon. It gives an
> error -192.

That's resource not found.  I've seen that trying to run PPC apps on my
68K Mac.  Maybe there's something wrong in the Launcher folder?

Rowland.

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