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In article <1998020523372981358@thebeast.demon.co.uk>,
thebeast@nospam.demon.co.uk (Steve Rogers) wrote:

> Does anyone know why 8.0 is so slow at opening windows, even empty ones?
> If I'd coded that module I would count it a failure!

Several things I've read about 8.1 say that this has been improved.

I must admit to having been puzzled by the Finder that comes with
8.0.  It is slower than the one that comes with 7.6 at many things.

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Simon Slavin <slavins@hearsay.demon.juuuunkguard.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <1998020523372981358@thebeast.demon.co.uk>,
> thebeast@nospam.demon.co.uk (Steve Rogers) wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone know why 8.0 is so slow at opening windows, even empty ones?
> > If I'd coded that module I would count it a failure!
> 
> Several things I've read about 8.1 say that this has been improved.
> 
> I must admit to having been puzzled by the Finder that comes with
> 8.0.  It is slower than the one that comes with 7.6 at many things.

The fastest Finder I've met is 4.2 (or thereabouts).  The System 6
Finder isn't significantly slower; the early System 7 ones are *much*
slower, and the System 7.6 Finder is much faster than the 7.1 version on
my Performa 475.  I think the problem is all the extra baggage it's
carrying these days slows it down - 7.6 was anomalous, because they'd
stripped out a lot of the old code needed to support the older Macs -
68020 code, and less of it.  How this affects the PPC Macs is anyone's
guess.

Rowland.

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In article <1d45mqc.169v5q31ji22slN@p9.nas1.is2.u-net.net>,
real-address-in-sig@flurbletigibbet.rhubarb.foobar (Rebecca and wrote:

>the System 7.6 Finder is much faster than the 7.1 version on
>my Performa 475.

Running the 7.5.2 finder (B1-7.5.3) with Speed Doubler, it's as fast as any
I've seen. Bloody quick in fact. And considerably quicker that the sys 8.0
finder I saw running at Olympia last year. All part of my reluctance to
upgrade... Which I still haven't done although I have the CD here...

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Peter Ceresole <peter@cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <1d45mqc.169v5q31ji22slN@p9.nas1.is2.u-net.net>,
> real-address-in-sig@flurbletigibbet.rhubarb.foobar (Rebecca and wrote:
> 
> >the System 7.6 Finder is much faster than the 7.1 version on
> >my Performa 475.
> 
> Running the 7.5.2 finder (B1-7.5.3) with Speed Doubler, it's as fast as any
> I've seen. Bloody quick in fact. And considerably quicker that the sys 8.0
> finder I saw running at Olympia last year. All part of my reluctance to
> upgrade... Which I still haven't done although I have the CD here...

Well...  OS8 might well be faster than you expect with SpeedDoubler.  I
reckon the 7.6.1 Finder is every bit as responsive on my 475 as the
7.5.2(?) Finder was on a PowerMac I played with a couple of years back.
Maybe SpeedDoubler is the deciding factor?

Rowland.

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In article <1d476pt.uggcr91k9o4puN@p30.nas1.is2.u-net.net>,
real-address-in-sig@flurbletigibbet.rhubarb.foobar (Rebecca and wrote:

>I
>reckon the 7.6.1 Finder is every bit as responsive on my 475 as the
>7.5.2(?) Finder was on a PowerMac I played with a couple of years back.
>Maybe SpeedDoubler is the deciding factor?

Definitely, yes. The sys 7.5.2 finder (which is, confusingly, B1-7.5.3) is
relatively quite lazy without Speed Doubler. Without it, windows twirl open
in a balletic manner, copying proceeds at a labour saving pace. With Speed
Doubler it absolutely flies. Windows snap open and closed, copying feels
like you've left the Kent line and suddenly emerged on the French side of
the Chunnel.

I understand there's a SpeedDoubler8 which does wonders with OS8. Anybody
tried it? 

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slavins@hearsay.demon.juuuunkguard.co.uk (Simon Slavin) wrote:

==> I must admit to having been puzzled by the Finder that comes with
==> 8.0.  It is slower than the one that comes with 7.6 at many things.

to which real-address-in-sig@flurbletigibbet.rhubarb.foobar wrote:

==> The fastest Finder I've met is 4.2 (or thereabouts).  The System 6
==> Finder isn't significantly slower; the early System 7 ones are *much*
==> slower, and the System 7.6 Finder is much faster than the 7.1 version
on
==> my Performa 475.  I think the problem is all the extra baggage it's
==> carrying these days slows it down - 7.6 was anomalous, because they'd
==> stripped out a lot of the old code needed to support the older Macs -
==> 68020 code, and less of it.  How this affects the PPC Macs is anyone's
==> guess.

Other than the main slow down - opening folders into a window - I've found
it similar in speed to previous finders.  Opening programs are as speedy as
before, and I'm impressed that the copy function is not significantly
slowed down from its multi-threadedness.  The main problem I have is its
memory footprint.  I can feel a 64Mb DIMM purchase coming on ...

I cannot remember all the old finders as I also upgraded hardware at the
same time as the OS.  Hence I remember 7.0 being faster than 6.0, but
that's because I had 6 on a Classic and 7 on a IIfx (and yes, there is a
time anomaly - and a spelling one - there, but ignore it and it will go
away).  By the time I got to 7.6, I had a 6400 (now running 8.0).

Yours,

Andrew

In article <B1065A1896682B00@cara.demon.co.uk>,
peter@cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) wrote:

>Subject: Re: Mac OS 8 question
>From: Peter Ceresole
>Organization: none
>Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:25:12 +0000
>Newsgroups: demon.tech.mac
>
>In article <1d476pt.uggcr91k9o4puN@p30.nas1.is2.u-net.net>,
>real-address-in-sig@flurbletigibbet.rhubarb.foobar (Rebecca and wrote:
>
>>I
>>reckon the 7.6.1 Finder is every bit as responsive on my 475 as the
>>7.5.2(?) Finder was on a PowerMac I played with a couple of years back.
>>Maybe SpeedDoubler is the deciding factor?
>
>Definitely, yes. The sys 7.5.2 finder (which is, confusingly, B1-7.5.3) is
>relatively quite lazy without Speed Doubler. Without it, windows twirl open
>in a balletic manner, copying proceeds at a labour saving pace. With Speed
>Doubler it absolutely flies. Windows snap open and closed, copying feels
>like you've left the Kent line and suddenly emerged on the French side of
>the Chunnel.
>
>I understand there's a SpeedDoubler8 which does wonders with OS8. Anybody
>tried it? 

Me. Works as advertised in my hands. OTOH it's supposed to not be
compatible with 8.1 but seems to work OK on my machine too. Very odd!

Gordon


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Rebecca and Rowland <real-address-in-sig@flurbletigibbet.rhubarb.foobar>
wrote:

> the early System 7 ones are *much* slower

I'd forgotten how disappointing 7.0 was on the Plus!  7.1 was quite a
bit faster.  Has anyone tried 7.5.5 on a Plus?  Any use?

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Peter Ceresole <peter@cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> I understand there's a SpeedDoubler8 which does wonders with OS8. Anybody
> tried it? 

Got it... yes, it makes a big difference, but can't intervene in the
spinning-arrows debacle.

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In article <19980212234832339778@thebeast.demon.co.uk>,
thebeast@nospam.demon.co.uk (Steve Rogers) wrote:

>Got it... yes, it makes a big difference, but can't intervene in the
>spinning-arrows debacle.

Errr... Spinning arrows?

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Steve Rogers <thebeast@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Rebecca and Rowland <real-address-in-sig@flurbletigibbet.rhubarb.foobar>
> wrote:
> 
> > the early System 7 ones are *much* slower
> 
> I'd forgotten how disappointing 7.0 was on the Plus!  7.1 was quite a
> bit faster.  Has anyone tried 7.5.5 on a Plus?  Any use?

I've heard of someone trying 7.5.x on a Plus - he made a comment about
being able to hear the hamsters inside spinning their wheel really
frantically.  I gather it was rather slow - and there's also the problem
of Mac Pluses only being able to take 4MB RAM.

Rowland.

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Peter Ceresole <peter@cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Errr... Spinning arrows?

Don't tell me your Mac is so fast you haven't seen them:-)
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In article <199802180402451573362@thebeast.demon.co.uk>,
thebeast@nospam.demon.co.uk (Steve Rogers) wrote:

>> Errr... Spinning arrows?
>
>Don't tell me your Mac is so fast you haven't seen them:-)

Well no... I see a little spinning wheel or a tiny page with writing
appearing on it (that's IE4) but nothing that I can remember generates a
spinning arrow.

Or have I finally flipped..? Or maybe spun..? 

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Peter Ceresole <peter@cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <199802180402451573362@thebeast.demon.co.uk>,
> thebeast@nospam.demon.co.uk (Steve Rogers) wrote:
> 
> >> Errr... Spinning arrows?
> >
> >Don't tell me your Mac is so fast you haven't seen them:-)
> 
> Well no... I see a little spinning wheel or a tiny page with writing
> appearing on it (that's IE4) but nothing that I can remember generates a
> spinning arrow.
> 
> Or have I finally flipped..? Or maybe spun..? 

IIRC, Peter is running 7.5.2 . The finder included with OS8 feels slower
than earlier finders, and displays a spinning arrow in the top left
corner of finder windows as it builds the list of what is in the window.
FWIW I find it livable with on a 7200/90, and at least OS8's finder
doesn't die horribly if it encounters a folder with thousands of files
in it.


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