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In article <1998011002071914509@thebeast.demon.co.uk>,
steverogers@thebeast.demon.co.uk (Steve Rogers) wrote:

>I've been wondering this for years: why does my Mac sometimes respond
>sluggishly to my typing?

It's doing some background printing with a cheap laser printer? Happens to
me with a Brother; the printer uses the CPU to make up the pages.

Or do these things happen with Addmail running (I don't know if you use it)
and with settings that don't delete processed messages? That's another
classic Mac slower-downer.

I don't know anything else that uses CPU time without telling you but
that's the effect it has. 

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Steve Rogers <steverogers@thebeast.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> I've been wondering this for years: why does my Mac sometimes respond
> sluggishly to my typing?  I can't see any rhyme or reason to this
> occurence: it just seems to happen every now and then.  The only
> constant is that it never happens soon after system startup, so it seems
> to be related to the computer having done a few things, or been on for a
> while.
> 
> Right now it's happening as I type this in MacSOUP; it's also doing it
> in SimpleText at the moment, and also in Netscape Navigator 3 where it
> seems even slower.  The fact that it *does* happen in NN seems to rule
> out TextEdit as part of the problem...

Not a clue what's going on - what Mac and OS version are you using?  Any
third-party extensions or suchlike?  Have you got VM on or off?  RAM
Doubler?

More information might help - mind you, I've noticed that my Performa
475 *used* to slow down quite a bit occasionally for no apparent reason
when I used 7.1; now I'm using System 7.6.1, it very rarely goes slow.
But then again, Eudora 3.1 and Netscape Navigator both *normally* `type
slow'.

Rowland.

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In article <1998011002071914509@thebeast.demon.co.uk>,
steverogers@thebeast.demon.co.uk (Steve Rogers) wrote:

>Subject: Slow typing mystery
>From: steverogers@thebeast.demon.co.uk (Steve Rogers)
>Organization: The Difference Engine
>Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:07:19 +0000
>Newsgroups: demon.tech.mac
>
>I've been wondering this for years: why does my Mac sometimes respond
>sluggishly to my typing?  I can't see any rhyme or reason to this
>occurence: it just seems to happen every now and then.  The only
>constant is that it never happens soon after system startup, so it seems
>to be related to the computer having done a few things, or been on for a
>while.
>
>Right now it's happening as I type this in MacSOUP; it's also doing it
>in SimpleText at the moment, and also in Netscape Navigator 3 where it
>seems even slower.  The fact that it *does* happen in NN seems to rule
>out TextEdit as part of the problem...

Do you have any background programs running?  I get the same effect on mine
which is, I think, due to Norton filesave kicking in from time to time.

Dave

Hugh Lemmon <HRL@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> You haven't got Key Caps open in the background have you?

Nope.

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Peter Ceresole <peter@cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> It's doing some background printing with a cheap laser printer?

Nope.
 
> Or do these things happen with Addmail running

Nope.

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Rebecca and Rowland <real-address-in-sig@flurbletigibbet.rhubarb.foobar>
wrote:

> Not a clue what's going on - what Mac and OS version are you using?

6200, 8.0


> Any third-party extensions or suchlike?

At the moment I use:
FreePPP 2.5v2
ICeTEe 2
Default Folder 2.7.6
Finder View Settings 1.1
MenuChoice 2
NoDesktopCleanup 1.5
RAM Doubler 2.0.2
Speed Doubler 8
ATM 4
& Disk Wizard 2

- but I've been getting this effect for years with other extensions too.



> But then again, Eudora 3.1 and Netscape Navigator both *normally* `type
> slow'.

Yes, but for me they vary between "a bit slow" and "so slow they miss
out characters".

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Dave Le Good <dave@minuet.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Do you have any background programs running?
> I get the same effect on mine which is, I think,
> due to Norton filesave kicking in from time to time.

Nope, not using FileSaver.

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Steve Rogers <thebeast@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Rebecca and Rowland <real-address-in-sig@flurbletigibbet.rhubarb.foobar>
> wrote:
> 
> > Not a clue what's going on - what Mac and OS version are you using?
> 
> 6200, 8.0

Righto.

> > Any third-party extensions or suchlike?
> 
> At the moment I use:
> FreePPP 2.5v2

Should be innocent.

> ICeTEe 2

Maybe responsible.

> Default Folder 2.7.6

Should be innocent.

> Finder View Settings 1.1

Never heard of it.

> MenuChoice 2

Should be innocent.

> NoDesktopCleanup 1.5

Never heard of it.

> RAM Doubler 2.0.2

Pass - *could* be a problem, but I doubt it.  Maybe there's an
interaction between this and something else and the disk cache and stuff
playing silly buggers?

> Speed Doubler 8

Pass

> ATM 4

Could be a problem.

> & Disk Wizard 2

Should be innocent.

> - but I've been getting this effect for years with other extensions too.

> > But then again, Eudora 3.1 and Netscape Navigator both *normally* `type
> > slow'.
> 
> Yes, but for me they vary between "a bit slow" and "so slow they miss
> out characters".

The only time I've had anything *that* slow is at times like now, when
MacSoup is expiring old headers (oops - I was lying.  StuffitExpander
was de-hqxing a file at that moment).  Which does seem to imply that
you've got a process processing away for some reason.

Hmm...  Have you tried re-building your desktop and then zapping your
PRAM (with TechTool to keep time the `time in use' info)?  Just a
thought.

I think I've mentioned I used to see this sort of behaviour myself (Perf
475 Sys 7.1 no RAM Doubler or ATM or anything like that) for no apparent
reason - re-building the desktop and (in extreme cases) re-installing
the OS fixed the problem; I never found out exactly what was going on.
I strongly suspect that it's got something to do with extensions and
control panels doing something eccentric.

Rowland.

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Steve Rogers wrote:
> 
> Peter Ceresole <peter@cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > It's doing some background printing with a cheap laser printer?
> 
> Nope.
> 
> > Or do these things happen with Addmail running
> 
> Nope.
> 
I had a similar problem, Addmail doesn't need to be running to slow the
computer down.  Can't remember the fix as I no longer use it, but Alan knows,
it worked for me.
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Rebecca and Rowland <real-address-in-sig@flurbletigibbet.rhubarb.foobar>
wrote:

> > Yes, but for me they vary between "a bit slow" and "so slow they miss
> > out characters".
> 
> The only time I've had anything *that* slow is at times like now, when
> MacSoup is expiring old headers (oops - I was lying.  StuffitExpander
> was de-hqxing a file at that moment).  Which does seem to imply that
> you've got a process processing away for some reason.

Not a visible one, though.  It seems to have something to do with being
on the Net even when there's no data passing either way.


> Hmm...  Have you tried re-building your desktop and then zapping your
> PRAM (with TechTool to keep time the `time in use' info)?  Just a
> thought.

Yes.  I've actually lost my "time in use" thingy in a recent mishap, as
it happens.  Anyone want to buy a 1997 6200?-)


> I think I've mentioned I used to see this sort of behaviour myself (Perf
> 475 Sys 7.1 no RAM Doubler or ATM or anything like that) for no apparent
> reason - re-building the desktop and (in extreme cases) re-installing
> the OS fixed the problem; I never found out exactly what was going on.
> I strongly suspect that it's got something to do with extensions and
> control panels doing something eccentric.

Restarting always works for me.  Oddly enough, hearing someone else has
found this effect happening for no apparent reason feels quite
reassuring.

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Steve Firth <filter@firthcom.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Steve Rogers <steverogers@thebeast.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > I've been wondering this for years: why does my Mac sometimes respond
> > sluggishly to my typing?
> 
> BBEdit does this to me sometimes, It took me nearly a year to track it
> down, but I'm now convinced that the only time it happens to me is when
> I run BBEdit.

How odd.

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Steve Rogers <thebeast@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Rebecca and Rowland <real-address-in-sig@flurbletigibbet.rhubarb.foobar>
> wrote:
> 
> > > Yes, but for me they vary between "a bit slow" and "so slow they miss
> > > out characters".
> > 
> > The only time I've had anything *that* slow is at times like now, when
> > MacSoup is expiring old headers (oops - I was lying.  StuffitExpander
> > was de-hqxing a file at that moment).  Which does seem to imply that
> > you've got a process processing away for some reason.
> 
> Not a visible one, though.  It seems to have something to do with being
> on the Net even when there's no data passing either way.

Oh blimey - well, it could be almost anything.  The System has lots of
invisible sub-processes running all the time - more if you're connected
to the net.
[snip]

> Restarting always works for me.  Oddly enough, hearing someone else has
> found this effect happening for no apparent reason feels quite
> reassuring.

Oh, restarting my 475 always solved the problem in the immediate
here-and-now; re-building the desktop etc., reduced the frequency with
which the problem re-occurred.

Rowland.

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In article <1d2trfv.177t2tjtbac8eN@p11.nas2.is3.u-net.net>,
real-address-in-sig@flurbletigibbet.rhubarb.foobar (Rebecca and Rowland)
wrote:

>Steve Rogers <thebeast@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Rebecca and Rowland <real-address-in-sig@flurbletigibbet.rhubarb.foobar>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > > Yes, but for me they vary between "a bit slow" and "so slow they miss
>> > > out characters".
>> > 
>> > The only time I've had anything *that* slow is at times like now, when
>> > MacSoup is expiring old headers (oops - I was lying.  StuffitExpander
>> > was de-hqxing a file at that moment).  Which does seem to imply that
>> > you've got a process processing away for some reason.
>> 
>> Not a visible one, though.  It seems to have something to do with being
>> on the Net even when there's no data passing either way.
>
>Oh blimey - well, it could be almost anything.  The System has lots of
>invisible sub-processes running all the time - more if you're connected
>to the net.
>[snip]
>
>> Restarting always works for me.  Oddly enough, hearing someone else has
>> found this effect happening for no apparent reason feels quite
>> reassuring.
>
>Oh, restarting my 475 always solved the problem in the immediate
>here-and-now; re-building the desktop etc., reduced the frequency with
>which the problem re-occurred.


I could make my 630 slow type by trying to edit large 1.5 M EPS files in
BBedit of Plain Text.

The cure was to increase the Get Info memory.

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ric <btgsch@rmplc.co.uk> wrote:

> This is easy. BBedit opperates with a fixed memory partition, as do all
> Mac Apps. When it is editing a file, it loads the entire file into
> memory. As obviously some files will be too large for BBedits memory
> partition, there is provision to 'borrow' memory from the system by
> means of 'temporary memory' This is memory additional to the memory
> allocated to BBedit, the drawback being access is slower than 'ordinary'
> application memory. So, by increasing the initial memory allocation, use
> of temp memory is eliminated, and speed is increased.

*This*, I bet, is the answer I was looking for.  It's got to be a
technical matter like this, affecting particular types of applications.
I'm going to try giving Eudora and Navigator 4 more RAM and see what
happen.

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David Byram-Wigfield <byram@removethis.cappella.demon.co.uk> wrote:

SNIP
> 
> I could make my 630 slow type by trying to edit large 1.5 M EPS files in
> BBedit of Plain Text.
> 
> The cure was to increase the Get Info memory.
> 
This is easy. BBedit opperates with a fixed memory partition, as do all
Mac Apps. When it is editing a file, it loads the entire file into
memory. As obviously some files will be too large for BBedits memory
partition, there is provision to 'borrow' memory from the system by
means of 'temporary memory' This is memory additional to the memory
allocated to BBedit, the drawback being access is slower than 'ordinary'
application memory. So, by increasing the initial memory allocation, use
of temp memory is eliminated, and speed is increasedl.

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