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In article <barney-ya023580000512972004460001@news.demon.co.uk>,
barney@redd.demon.co.uk (John Adair) wrote:

>Could anyone explain why my start up chime has remained silent the last
>couple of times I've started up my Mac. Curiously enough, it worked this
>last time after I opened up the sound control panel, whacked the volume up
>to maximum and double clicked a few times.
>
>So far as I was aware, the start up chime is impossible to alter, so what
>the hell was going on? Should I be worried? Very worried? Or what?
>
>LCII/6MB RAM/80MBHD/Sysyem 7.01
>
>Thanks
>
>-- 
>John


It could be your battery, has it been replaced recently?

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In article <barney-ya023580000512972004460001@news.demon.co.uk>, John
Adair <barney@redd.demon.co.uk> writes
>Should I be worried? Very worried? Or what?

I doubt if there is anything to worry about at all.  The chime on my Mac
LC has been pretty random for years.  I think it has to do with a bad
connection in the speaker circuit which I have seen commented on in the
past.
-- 
Robert Wilson

John Adair <barney@redd.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Could anyone explain why my start up chime has remained silent the last
> couple of times I've started up my Mac. Curiously enough, it worked this
> last time after I opened up the sound control panel, whacked the volume up
> to maximum and double clicked a few times.
> 
> So far as I was aware, the start up chime is impossible to alter, so what
> the hell was going on? Should I be worried? Very worried? Or what?

Probably `or what'.  I'd start by suspecting something wrong with the
sound output.  It could be that the plug on the end of the speaker
wire's a bit manky and needs a clean.  Did you get *any* sound when the
Mac started up with no start-up chime?

> LCII/6MB RAM/80MBHD/Sysyem 7.01

Old, y'see - connectors fail with time, especially when they're not very
good ones (like the speaker connector - no point in bothering too much
about that, unlike, say, IC sockets and the like).

Rowland.

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In article <barney-ya023580000512972004460001@news.demon.co.uk>,
barney@redd.demon.co.uk (John Adair) wrote:

> Could anyone explain why my start up chime has remained silent the last
> couple of times I've started up my Mac. Curiously enough, it worked this
> last time after I opened up the sound control panel, whacked the volume up
> to maximum and double clicked a few times.

If your volume is completely off (set to 0) when you shut down your
Mac, it won't play the startup chime.  Is it possible you've done
this ?

I use an AppleScript in the 'Shutdown Items' folder to do this since
any sound, no matter how welcome, which is repeated exactly every day
begins to get on my nerves.  Another AppleScript in the 'Startup Items'
folder set the volume to my preferred level.

Simon.
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In article <B0B06F2E9668409C1@0.0.0.0>,
slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk.NOJUNK (Simon Slavin) wrote:

>If your volume is completely off (set to 0) when you shut down your
>Mac, it won't play the startup chime.  Is it possible you've done
>this ?

Hmmmm... I have just exprienced something very odd in the startup chimes
department- unfortunately I think it's worse than that...

Start: I installed RealAudio Player 5.0. It worked fine for sound but
except for a proper picture stream, *once*, from the RealAudio site, the
picture part of it always crashed. Bloody nuisance.

After every crash of that type I run Norton over the disk- quickly done
precaution.

Suddenly, after one of the crashes, Disk Doctor started to crash right at
the beginning- when checking "startup". Coincidentally or not, the startup
chime volume went right down.

I have found the following: alert sounds are okay; through the headphone
output jack, into speakers, they are fine. I can hear the startup chime
okay, but with the speaker amp switched off it's far quieter than it used
to be.

As for Norton, if I run Disk Doctor from a floppy it still crashes, even if
I have started the Mac with extensions off.

If I start the Mac from the system CD, Norton runs fine (from the HD, even)
and tells me that there is no damage to the HD, and all the files are okay.
Not only that, but if I start (via Cmp-Opt-Shift-Del) from a Zip drive that
has a backup of the system file with *almost* the same extensions, then
Norton runs fine from the HD, too (and tells me everything is AOK.) When I
match up the extension set and boot from the HD, Norton still crashes.
Although it shouldn't make a difference I replaced the system file itself
on the HD. No difference. 

I have removed every trace of RealAudio Player from the machine (I still
have the installer on a Zip drive). The problems persist. I used TechTool
to zap the PRAM. Same again.

All programs other than Norton seem to run okay. I got a couple of type 11
failures this evening, which is two more than I usually get in a week. On
the other hand that's not beyond the bounds of coincidence.

Sum-up: Norton failure's presumably not an extension clash as it still
happens with extensions switched off and with much the same extensions from
a Zip drive.

The low chime level seems... just odd.

And yes, I know that what I ought to do is to copy across my working
system. And I guess I shall. But WIHIH? Eh?

(In the mean time I struggle to make yet another programme about Diana. It
should even turn out to be quite good. Or not. It's all down to us. Us
including me. We transmit in 12 days and we haven't finished making it.
Hardly started, I reckon... Who said freelancing meant I would be able to
be able to do just the programmes I want? As a retired fogey I don't even
need the money but the habits of a life time die hard. You want it
yesterday? Are you sure it can wait that long? Great! Of course!)

Replacing the system just now seems somehow too much like doing something
serious... 

7500/100. Sys 7.5.2. Until now, bog reliable.

-- 
Peter

Bah! Humbug!

All that rot about the start-up chime fading... I just withdrew the
headphone output jack and it came blasting out of the Mac's built-in
speaker at Krakatoan volume. It was just connections.

Forget that I spoke.

Why the hell don't I check the simple mechanical bits first? When I built a
Triumph-Norton hybrid all those years ago I wouldn't have made that
mistake. It was rods, pistons and chains and Featherbed frames; none of
this nonsense of trying variations in the software.

So now it's my Norton (geddit?) problem; just down to replacing the system
software. And in the mean time it still works fine...

Does a nice Mac like this deserve an owner like me? Answers on one side of
a Postit...  

-- 
Peter

Peter Ceresole <peter@cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]
> The low chime level seems... just odd.
> 
> And yes, I know that what I ought to do is to copy across my working
> system. And I guess I shall. But WIHIH? Eh?

Hmm...  It could be something like a modified *Finder*, perhaps?
Perhaps a prefs file of some sort has been corrupted?  Or has the
RealAudio Player left some invisible files on your HD somewhere that are
buggering things up?

Rowland.
[snip]


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In article <1d11nxp.15mtq2z15cw14rN@p4.nas4.is2.u-net.net>,
real-address-in-sig@flurbletigibbet.rhubarb.foobar (Rebecca and wrote:

> Peter Ceresole <peter@cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> > The low chime level seems... just odd.
> > 
> > And yes, I know that what I ought to do is to copy across my working
> > system. And I guess I shall. But WIHIH? Eh?
> 
> Hmm...  It could be something like a modified *Finder*, perhaps?
> Perhaps a prefs file of some sort has been corrupted?  Or has the
> RealAudio Player left some invisible files on your HD somewhere that are
> buggering things up?

The startup chime's in hardware.  Not even the System file has been
loaded when it rings out.  The only way to silence it is by fiddling
with hardware or by setting the volume to zero.

Simon.
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In article <d-summer-1012970840230001@mac134.nimr.mrc.ac.uk>,
d-summer@nimr.mrc.ac.uk (Dennis Summerbell) wrote:

>Sounds as if you deserved everything you got. I'd expect any
>self-respecting Mac to make some some kind of protest at being forced to
>participate in Diana promotion.

Not a promotion I hope... Anyway, I have spared the Mac. The machine I use
out on the road is an Amstrad NC200, the best laptop in the Known Universe
(it has Protext in ROM and a 40 hour battery life but no shame...)

And the Mac's so nice to come home to (cue music).

-- 
Peter

Simon Slavin <slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk.NOJUNK> wrote:

[snip]

> The startup chime's in hardware.  Not even the System file has been
> loaded when it rings out.  The only way to silence it is by fiddling
> with hardware or by setting the volume to zero.

Ah - so not a modified Finder then.  You live and learn...

Rowland.

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In article <1d181o0.nz9pkhvh1yf4N@p14.nas3.is3.u-net.net>,
real-address-in-sig@flurbletigibbet.rhubarb.foobar (Rebecca and wrote:

>Ah - so not a modified Finder then.  You live and learn...

Yup. As I said in my followup- it was a hardware problem, incredibly simply
solved; just a question of cleaning up the connectors by working them in
and out a couple of times.

I do have a corrupted file somewhere in the system but that was sheer
coincidence- I have a working system which I shall substitute the moment I
feel I have some time to spare. Meaning after next weekend (weekend?
Wozzat?)  

-- 
Peter