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You might try <www.lowendmac.com>

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In article <tv-0701992303110001@antipole.demon.co.uk>,
tv@antipole.demon.rats.co.uk (Tony Voss) wrote:


> I have a couple of compact Macs (an SE and an SE/30) running OS7.0.
> Several items of software I want to run on them require OS7.1 or later.
> I don't want to upgrade to OS7.6 as it is unnecessarily large and complex
> for what I want.
> OS7.1 was the last of the small versions before it started to bloat and
> become less stable (at least until recent improvements).
>
> Can anyone tell me how or where I can obtain OS7.1?
>
> Thanks for any help.
> Tony
>
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---------
> -
> Tony Voss  <tv@antipole.demon.rats.co.uk>
> Tel: +44 (0)1749 880324   Fax: +44 (0)870 164 0384
> Address: Dean Cottage, Dean, Nr. Shepton Mallet,  Somerset, UK - BA5 5SA
> Remove the rodent from my email address before replying.
> Please do not email me and cross-post to news groups - it gives my email
> address away.

Also try www.ebay.com. It's an online auction, i've seen several OS 7.01 being bidded
there. I'm not yet a Mac user (3 months untill I leave for school, switching platforms
from win95 to the next iMac), but a friend of mine is giving me her Performa 550 and I
hear that the latest OS one can use is Mac OS 7.6.1. I am currently bidding on this, I was
wondering the ups and downs on this release. Thanks.

Tony Voss wrote:

> I have a couple of compact Macs (an SE and an SE/30) running OS7.0.
> Several items of software I want to run on them require OS7.1 or later.
> I don't want to upgrade to OS7.6 as it is unnecessarily large and complex
> for what I want.
> OS7.1 was the last of the small versions before it started to bloat and
> become less stable (at least until recent improvements).
>
> Can anyone tell me how or where I can obtain OS7.1?
>
> Thanks for any help.
> Tony
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Tony Voss  <tv@antipole.demon.rats.co.uk>
> Tel: +44 (0)1749 880324   Fax: +44 (0)870 164 0384
> Address: Dean Cottage, Dean, Nr. Shepton Mallet,  Somerset, UK - BA5 5SA
> Remove the rodent from my email address before replying.
> Please do not email me and cross-post to news groups - it gives my email address away.

Tony Voss <tv@antipole.demon.rats.co.uk> wrote:

> I have a couple of compact Macs (an SE and an SE/30) running OS7.0.
> Several items of software I want to run on them require OS7.1 or later.
> I don't want to upgrade to OS7.6 as it is unnecessarily large and complex
> for what I want.
> OS7.1 was the last of the small versions before it started to bloat and
> become less stable (at least until recent improvements).
> 
> Can anyone tell me how or where I can obtain OS7.1?

You might try asking in uk.comp.sys.mac, or putting an advert in
uk.adverts.computer.mac.

System 7.6 won't work on an SE or SE/30.  System 7.5.5, on the other
hand, doesn't take much more RAM than 7.1 (if trimmed) and is actually
very nice on an SE/30 (I had a 7.5.5 SE/30 myself until very recently),
although more than 4MB RAM is a good idea.  From what I hear on the
Classic Macs mailing list, System 7.5 is a practical proposition on 4MB
68000 Macs like the SE and doesn't seem to take any more RAM than 7.1.
7.5 has some useful additional stuff like the Thread Manager built into
it, a scriptable Finder, and so on.

(btw, I tried to install 7.1 on my SE/30, but for some reason I couldn't
get the thing to boot off the 7.1 installer disc I had at the time - it
*should* have worked, but didn't)

If you're still keen on 7.1, this might be useful:

This is a list of useful(ish) things to add to System 7.1 and perhaps
7.0 so it can do most of the things that later versions of the MacOS can
do.

I haven't downloaded all (or even most) of the things in the list, and
it might be that some files have different version numbers. I strongly
suggest you look at the size of a file before downloading it: some of
the urls point to full-blown developer kits which do have the files you
need in them, as well as lots you only need if you're a programmer.

None of these are essential to use System 7.1 or 7.0. If you are using
7.1, you should make sure you've got System Update 3.0 installed; if you
are using 7.0 (any version) you should ensure you've got System 7 Tuneup
1.1.1 installed.

Many applications require the Thread Manager to run at all.  The more
recent versions of HD SC Setup and Disk First Aid are improvements on
earlier versions.  In particular, I have come across disc faults that
the Disk First Aid supplied with System 7.1 couldn't fix, but a later
version could.

Mac drag and drop, to allow drag and drop in application windows, is
nice to have if you have applications that can use it.

Mode 32 is essential if you want to use more than 8MB RAM with Macs that
don't have 32-bit clean ROMs like the SE/30 and Mac II.

Sound Manager 3 (part of QuickTime 2.5 and above) is required for some 
applications, mainly games.

AppleGuide is very useful, because many applications come with
AppleGuide help files which are useless without AppleGuide installed on
your Mac.

I personally now find it very difficult to work without; a menu bar
clock, a hierarchical Apple menu and a hierarchical Application menu,
Glidel or Menudropper to allow drag-and-drop onto menu items, and Click
there it is! (this last item has to be used to be appreciated).

As for the rest - well, if you need them, you need them.  If you don't,
you don't.

My nearest info-mac mirror is at:
ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/systems/mac/info-mac

And my nearest umich mirror is at:
ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/systems/mac/umich

I've given urls to these mirrors; if you are not in the UK, you'll 
probably get a faster download if you use a nearer mirror.


MODE 32
=======

ftp://ftp.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/US/Ma
cintosh/System/Other_System/MODE32_7.5.sea.bin
ftp://ftphqx.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/US
/Macintosh/System/Other_System/MODE32_7.5.sea.hqx

ftp://ftphqx.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/US
/Macintosh/System/Other_System/Mac_Drag_and_Drop_1.1.sea.hqx


THREAD MANAGER 2.1
==================

ftp://dev.apple.com//devworld/Development_Kits/Thread_Manager.sit.hqx

TurboGopher 2.0.2 also has Thread Manager 2.1.

info-mac mirror:

ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/systems/mac/info-mac/comm/inet/turb
o-gopher-203.hqx



APPLEGUIDE
==========

ftp://ftpdev.info.apple.com//devworld/Development_Kits/Apple_Guide_2.1.1
.sit.hqx

ftp://ftp.info.apple.com/Apple.Support.Area/Developer_Services/Developme
nt_Kits/Apple_Guide_Authoring_Kit/

http://www.guideworks.com/AppleGuide.html#AG2.0
ftp://ftp.leo.org/pub/comp/platforms/macintosh/applesoft/appleguide/


DISK FIRST AID 7.2.2
====================

ftp://ftp13.info.apple.com//Apple.Support.Area/Apple_SW_Updates/US/Macin
tosh/Utilities/Disk_First_Aid_7.2.2
ftp://ftp13.info.apple.com//Apple.Support.Area/Apple_SW_Updates/US/Macin
tosh/Utilities/Disk_First_Aid_7.2.2.sea.hqx


HD SC SETUP 7.3.5
=================

ftp://ftp13.info.apple.com//Apple.Support.Area/Apple_SW_Updates/US/Macin
tosh/Utilities/Apple_HD_SC_Setup_7.3.5.sea.hqx
ftp://ftp13.info.apple.com//Apple.Support.Area/Apple_SW_Updates/US/Macin
tosh/Utilities/Apple_HD_SC_Setup_7.3.5_Readme.txt

HD SC Setup patch to allow HD SC Setup to format non Apple HDDs

info-mac mirror:
ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/systems/mac/info-mac/disk/apple-hd-
sc-setup-735-patch.hqx


DRAG AND DROP
=============

ftp://dev.apple.com//devworld/Development_Kits/Macintosh_Drag_-_Drop.sit
.hqx


MENU BAR CLOCK
==============

Umich mirror:
ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/systems/mac/umich/system.extensions
/cdev/superclock4.04.cpt.hqx


HIERARCHICAL APPLE MENU
=======================

Umich mirror:
ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/systems/mac/umich/system.extensions
/cdev/behierarchic3.03.sit.hqx
ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/systems/mac/umich/system.extensions
/cdev/menuchoice2.0.sit.hqx

For System 7.5 and above only according to the readme:
ftp://ftphqx.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/US
/Macintosh/System/Other_System/Apple_Menu_Options_1.0.2.sea.hqx
ftp://ftp.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/US/Ma
cintosh/System/Other_System/Apple_Menu_Options_1.0.2.sea.bin


APPLESCRIPT
===========

http://applescript.apple.com/default.html

ftp://ftp.info.apple.com//Apple.Support.Area/Manuals/servers/AppleScript
FinderGuide.pdf
ftp://ftp.info.apple.com//Apple.Support.Area/Manuals/servers/AppleScript
LanguageGuide.pdf
ftp://ftp.info.apple.com//Apple.Support.Area/Manuals/servers/ScriptingAd
ditionsGuide.pdf
ftp://ftpdev.info.apple.com//devworld/Development_Kits/AppleScript/Apple
Script_Setup/Apple's_Scripting_Syste.sit.hqx
ftp://ftpdev.info.apple.com//devworld/Development_Kits/AppleScript/Apple
Script_Setup/AppleScript_Samples.sit.hqx
ftp://ftpdev.info.apple.com//devworld/Development_Kits/AppleScript/Apple
Script_Setup/Installer.sit.hqx
ftp://ftpdev.info.apple.com//devworld/Development_Kits/AppleScript/Apple
Script_Setup/Installer_Script.sit.hqx
ftp://ftpdev.info.apple.com//devworld/Development_Kits/AppleScript/Apple
Script_Setup/Language_at_a_Glance.sit.hqx
ftp://ftpdev.info.apple.com//devworld/Development_Kits/AppleScript/Apple
Script_Setup/Scripting_the_Finder.sit.hqx
ftp://ftpdev.info.apple.com//devworld/Development_Kits/AppleScript/Apple
Script_Setup/User_Release_Notes.sit.hqx

Description: Finder Scripting Extension 1.2 corrects a problem
discovered 
with Finder Scripting Extension 1.1 and QuicKeys, where the system may
hang 
when creating a QuicKeys sequence.

 � Finder Scripting Extension 1.1 was included with AppleScript 1.1.
 � Finder Scripting Extension 1.2 is included with System 7.5

ftp://ftp.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/US/Ma
cintosh/System/Other_System/Finder_Scripting_Ext_1.2.sea.bin
ftp://ftphqx.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/US
/Macintosh/System/Other_System/Finder_Scripting_Ext_1.2.sea.hqx


MACTCP
======

http://www.leo.org/pub/comp/platforms/macintosh/
ftp://ftp.apple.com/devworld/Development_Kits/MacTCP.sit.hqx


QUICKTIME
=========

(QT 2.5 includes Sound Manager 3)

ftp://dev.apple.com//devworld/Development_Kits/QuickTime_2.5.sit.hqx
ftp://dev.apple.com//devworld/Development_Kits/QuickTime/QuickTime_2.5/
Disk_Images.hqx

QT 3.0:

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/index.html


SOUND MANAGER
=============

ftp://dev.apple.com//devworld/Development_Kits/Sound_Manager.sit.hqx


OPEN TRANSPORT
==============

ftp://dev.apple.com//devworld/Tool_Chest/Networking_-_Communications/Ope
n_Transport_1.3_sit.hqx

For OT 1.0.8, 1.1.1, 1.1.2, OT/PPP, and OT extras,

ftp://ftp.info.apple.com//Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/US/M
acintosh/Networking-Communications/Open_Transport/

There are text files and licence files to go with most of these; I've
not inluded the full directory listing to save space.

Open_Transport_1.0.8-1of4.sea.bin
Open_Transport_1.0.8-2of4.sea.bin
Open_Transport_1.0.8-3of4.sea.bin
Open_Transport_1.0.8-4of4.sea.bin
OT_1.0.8-Net_Install.sea.bin
OT_1.1.1-1of4.sea.bin
OT_1.1.1-2of4.sea.bin
OT_1.1.1-3of4.sea.bin
OT_1.1.1-4of4.sea.bin
OT_1.1.1-Extras.sea.bin
OT_1.1.1-Net_Install.sea.bin
OT_1.1.2-1of4.sea.bin
OT_1.1.2-2of4.sea.bin
OT_1.1.2-3of4.sea.bin
OT_1.1.2-4of4.sea.bin
OT_1.1.2-Extras.sea.bin
OT_1.1.2-Net_Install.sea.bin
OT_1.1_Manual.sea.bin
OT_PPP_1.0-Net_Install.sea.bin
OT_PPP_1.0.sea.bin
OT_PPP_1.0_Manual.sea.bin


TEXT-TO-SPEECH
==============

English Speech Synthesis System Requirements

* Any Macintosh or Power Macintosh Computer
* System Software 6.0.7 or later, depending on voice quality
* From 300K to 1.5 MB of available RAM, depending on voice quality
* 5 MB of available hard disk space

You can check out their web page at http://speech.apple.com/ptk/.

http://speech.apple.com/ptk/ETTS.hqx (5.2MB)

Mexican Spanish speech synthesis

http://speech.apple.com/ptk/MSTTS.hqx (2.7MB)


EXTENSIONS MANAGER
==================

ftp://dev.apple.com//devworld/Tool_Chest/OS_Utilities/Extensions_Manager
_2.0.1.sit.hqx


APPEARANCE MANAGER
==================

It is supposedly qualified clear back to 7.1

ftp://dev.apple.com/devworld/Development_Kits/Appearance_&_CMM_SDK_1.0.2
.sit.hqx


USEFUL FOR ANYONE
=================

umich mirror:

ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/systems/mac/umich/system.extensions
/cdev/applwindows2.02.cpt.hqx
    (hierarchical Application menu)
ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/systems/mac/umich/system.extensions
/init/clickthereitis1.06.sit.hqx
    (fast file selection in open/save dialogue)
ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/systems/mac/umich/system.extensions
/init/glidel3.0fr.cpt.hqx
ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/systems/mac/umich/system.extensions
/init/glidel3.0us.cpt.hqx
    (drag-and-drop onto menu items)
ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/systems/mac/umich/system.extensions
/cdev/menudropper7.1b8.cpt.hqx
    (drag-and-drop onto menu items: works with 7.1; breaks with 7.6)
ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/systems/mac/umich/system.extensions
/cdev/carpetbag1.42.sit.hqx
    (selective opening of founts etc., without re-booting)


WORKS ON MAC PLUS
=================

ftp://dev.apple.com//devworld/Utilities/ShrinkWrap_1.4.2.sit.hqx
    (disc image handling)
ftp://dev.apple.com//devworld/Utilities/System_Picker_1.1a3.sit.hqx
    (lets you have more than one System Folder on a single disc)
    

MISC
====

"040 emulator" that allows one to run normally "disallowed" applications
on 68020 and 68030 Macs

http://www.unitus.ml.org/connolly/

HD SC Setup patch to allow HD SC Setup to format non Apple HDDs

info-mac mirror
ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/systems/mac/info-mac/disk/apple-hd-
sc-setup-735-patch.hqx

COLOUR SYNC
===========

ftp://ftp.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/US/Ma
cintosh/System/Other_System/ColorSync_2.1.1.txt
ftp://ftphqx.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/US
/Macintosh/System/Other_System/ColorSync_2.1.1.sea.hqx
ftp://ftp.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/US/Ma
cintosh/System/Other_System/ColorSync_2.1.1.sea.bin

Rowland.

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In comp.sys.mac.misc Tony Voss <tv@antipole.demon.rats.co.uk> wrote:
: I have a couple of compact Macs (an SE and an SE/30) running OS7.0.
: Several items of software I want to run on them require OS7.1 or later.
: I don't want to upgrade to OS7.6 as it is unnecessarily large and complex
: for what I want.
: OS7.1 was the last of the small versions before it started to bloat and
: become less stable (at least until recent improvements).

System 7.1 is an outdated piece of junk. On the other hand, 7.5 (which is
the last version for an SE and SE/30) can be pared down to a very small
footprint in memory and hard disk space. I run 7.5.5 on my SE and SE/30
and even my Plus with great results. And 7.5 will be easier to track down
as well.
-- 
Offsite mail to this host gets nuked.

System Software prior to 7.5 can be downloaded for free from Apple's
FTP site.  point your FTP client to info.apple.com.

On 8 Jan 1999 05:28:36 GMT, Idoru07@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net wrote:

>Also try www.ebay.com. It's an online auction, i've seen several OS 7.01 being bidded
>there. I'm not yet a Mac user (3 months untill I leave for school, switching platforms
>from win95 to the next iMac), but a friend of mine is giving me her Performa 550 and I
>hear that the latest OS one can use is Mac OS 7.6.1. I am currently bidding on this, I was
>wondering the ups and downs on this release. Thanks.
>
>Tony Voss wrote:
>
>> I have a couple of compact Macs (an SE and an SE/30) running OS7.0.
>> Several items of software I want to run on them require OS7.1 or later.
>> I don't want to upgrade to OS7.6 as it is unnecessarily large and complex
>> for what I want.
>> OS7.1 was the last of the small versions before it started to bloat and
>> become less stable (at least until recent improvements).
>>
>> Can anyone tell me how or where I can obtain OS7.1?
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Tony
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Tony Voss  <tv@antipole.demon.rats.co.uk>
>> Tel: +44 (0)1749 880324   Fax: +44 (0)870 164 0384
>> Address: Dean Cottage, Dean, Nr. Shepton Mallet,  Somerset, UK - BA5 5SA
>> Remove the rodent from my email address before replying.
>> Please do not email me and cross-post to news groups - it gives my email address away.
>

Joost Ouwerkerk <joost.ouwerkerk@sickkids.on.ca> wrote:

> System Software prior to 7.5 can be downloaded for free from Apple's
> FTP site.  point your FTP client to info.apple.com.
[snip]

Last time I looked, you could only download System 5.0 to 7.0.1; 7.1 and
onwards have been pay-ware and AFAIK aren't freely downloadable.

Rowland.

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Randy Shackelford wrote:

> In comp.sys.mac.misc Tony Voss <tv@antipole.demon.rats.co.uk> wrote:
> : I have a couple of compact Macs (an SE and an SE/30) running OS7.0.
> : Several items of software I want to run on them require OS7.1 or later.
> : I don't want to upgrade to OS7.6 as it is unnecessarily large and complex
> : for what I want.
> : OS7.1 was the last of the small versions before it started to bloat and
> : become less stable (at least until recent improvements).
>
> System 7.1 is an outdated piece of junk. On the other hand, 7.5 (which is
> the last version for an SE and SE/30) can be pared down to a very small
> footprint in memory and hard disk space. I run 7.5.5 on my SE and SE/30
> and even my Plus with great results. And 7.5 will be easier to track down
> as well.
> --
> Offsite mail to this host gets nuked.

Rebecca and Rowland wrote:
> 
> Tony Voss <tv@antipole.demon.rats.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > I have a couple of compact Macs (an SE and an SE/30) running OS7.0.
> > Several items of software I want to run on them require OS7.1 or later.
> > I don't want to upgrade to OS7.6 as it is unnecessarily large and complex
> > for what I want.
> > OS7.1 was the last of the small versions before it started to bloat and
> > become less stable (at least until recent improvements).
> >
> > Can anyone tell me how or where I can obtain OS7.1?
> 
<SNIP>

I never ever saw any respondent go to such lengths, time, trouble, and
meticulous detail in order to help another newsgroup poster  -  as did
Rebecca and Roland.
You are very lucky, Tony Voss;-)

I offer a humble one line supplement.
Go not for OS 7.1 - but rather for 7.1.2.

Stuart Willis
Sunny Queensland, Downunder.

_________________________
mailto:Ethos@uq.net.au

In article <36962EF2.D83B6740@uq.net.au>,
Stuart Willis <EthosNOSPAM@uq.net.au> wrote:

>I offer a humble one line supplement.
>Go not for OS 7.1 - but rather for 7.1.2.

Are you sure about that? 7.1.2 was the first Power-PC specific version; it
came with my 6100 all those years ago. It certainly won't work on an SE or
SE30.

-- 
Peter

Stuart Willis <EthosNOSPAM@uq.net.au> wrote:

[snip]

> I never ever saw any respondent go to such lengths, time, trouble, and
> meticulous detail in order to help another newsgroup poster

(erm...  I think I should own up: that was a file I prepared some time
ago to help people on a mailing list I subscribe to.  It did take some
compiling, but I'm not *quite* mad enough to do it as a one-off job; but
thanks for the compliment :-)

[snip]

Rowland.

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In article <B2BCE3C79668879DE@cara.demon.co.uk>, peter@cara.demon.co.uk
(Peter Ceresole) wrote:

>In article <36962EF2.D83B6740@uq.net.au>,
>Stuart Willis <EthosNOSPAM@uq.net.au> wrote:
>
>>I offer a humble one line supplement.
>>Go not for OS 7.1 - but rather for 7.1.2.
>
>Are you sure about that? 7.1.2 was the first Power-PC specific version; it
>came with my 6100 all those years ago. It certainly won't work on an SE or
>SE30.

A 7.1.2 CD I have (from a 6100), it will update a 7.1 system in some
manner. it doesn't bump the system version number, just change a few of the
supporting files.

-- 
Barry
Barry@netbox.com                       <http://www.netbox.com/barry>
JBC of California

In article <Barry-ya02408000R0901991538210001@news.netgate.net>,
Barry@netbox.com (Barry Twycross) wrote:

> A 7.1.2 CD I have (from a 6100), it will update a 7.1 system in some
> manner. it doesn't bump the system version number, just change a few of the
> supporting files.

Unless I'm mistaken, a 7.1.2 CD only *comes* with a machine and was
preinstalled on the first round of PowerMacs (6100, 7100, 8100). It will
not install on another machine, and it will not update a current system.

-- 
Judi Sohn - judis@mindspring.com
<http://www.mindspring.com/~judis/>