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In article <1998081823143284144@thebeast.demon.co.uk>,
thebeast@nospam.demon.co.uk (Steve Rogers) wrote:

> If I start up (using Mac OS 8.1) with the Shift key held down, the OS
> won't load because AppearanceLib is disabled.  Is this a bug or does
> anyone get different results?

*boggle* Are you _sure_ about this? We have a number of machines here with
8.1 (British) which start up just fine with extensions off!

Cheers,

Tim.

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Steve Rogers <thebeast@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> If I start up (using Mac OS 8.1) with the Shift key held down, the OS
> won't load because AppearanceLib is disabled.  Is this a bug or does
> anyone get different results? 

I've never had a problem like that! I would try booting up from the
MacOS CD, back up your hard drive and completely re-installing your
system. 

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Steve Rogers <thebeast@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> If I start up (using Mac OS 8.1) with the Shift key held down, the OS
> won't load because AppearanceLib is disabled.  Is this a bug or does
> anyone get different results? 

Its a feature...............

OS 8.1 cannot draw windows, menus etc without AppearenceLib. Conflict
Catcher locks AppearenceLib so that it is available even when the
machine is started with extentions off.

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In article <1998081823143284144@thebeast.demon.co.uk>,
thebeast@nospam.demon.co.uk (Steve Rogers) wrote:

>If I start up (using Mac OS 8.1) with the Shift key held down, the OS
>won't load because AppearanceLib is disabled.  Is this a bug or does
>anyone get different results? 

Startup with extensions off works fine here Steve.

 Dazzz

In article <1de0ayh.12gsqtbpbnhumN@mousa.demon.co.uk>,
billb@mousa.demon.co.uk (Bill Bedford) wrote:

>> If I start up (using Mac OS 8.1) with the Shift key held down, the OS
>> won't load because AppearanceLib is disabled.  Is this a bug or does
>> anyone get different results? 
>
>Its a feature...............
>
>OS 8.1 cannot draw windows, menus etc without AppearenceLib. Conflict
>Catcher locks AppearenceLib so that it is available even when the
>machine is started with extentions off.

Odd. Is this with US systems? Maybe early ones?

Using B1-8.1 on a G3, it boots fine with extensions off- confirming what
others here have said.

This system uses an Appearance Extension with an Appearance document in the
control panels folder (and Appearance prefs of course), but no
AppearanceLib.

Maybe they've fixed the feature?

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In article <twright-1908981055370001@172.17.4.13>,
twright@spamkiller-remove-me.llplimited.com (Tim Wright) wrote:

> thebeast@nospam.demon.co.uk (Steve Rogers) wrote:
> 
> > If I start up (using Mac OS 8.1) with the Shift key held down, the OS
> > won't load because AppearanceLib is disabled.  Is this a bug or does
> > anyone get different results?
> 
> *boggle* Are you _sure_ about this? We have a number of machines here with
> 8.1 (British) which start up just fine with extensions off!

It's not doing what you think it's doing.  OS 8.1 is designed so that
it will start up properly with the 'shift' key held down -- either it
knows it shouldn't disable the Appearance Manager or it has some sort
of mode which allows it to work without it.  If Steve's machine isn't
booting properly with the 'shift' key held down, something's wrong with
the installation of the System.

As a check I tried it on my PB1400c and a PowerMac G3 today.  Both were
running OS8.1 and both booted correctly.

Simon.
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Peter Ceresole <peter@cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Using B1-8.1 on a G3, it boots fine with extensions off- confirming what
> others here have said.
> 
> This system uses an Appearance Extension with an Appearance document in the
> control panels folder (and Appearance prefs of course), but no
> AppearanceLib.
> 
> Maybe they've fixed the feature?

The Appearance Lib is part of the Appearance Extension; OS 8.1 always
loads this extension even if you hold down shift key at startup. With OS
8.0 the system is not that intelligent.

Joerg

Steve Rogers <thebeast@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> If I start up (using Mac OS 8.1) with the Shift key held down, the OS
> won't load because AppearanceLib is disabled.  Is this a bug or does
> anyone get different results? 

you can start system 8.1 with no extensions or control panels at all so
it must be another reason such as some other hardware device maybe?

Woody