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In article <B1F1D80196681096F@wardle.demon.co.uk>,
jocelyn@wardle.NOSPAM.demon.PLEEEASE!.co.uk (Jocelyn Lavin) wrote:

> Anyone know where I can get a copy of System 7.5 from? I've recently bought
> lots of extra RAM, so I now have enough memory to run a later system than
> 7.1 - I also want to run a later Netscape than 2.02, as it crashes almost
> every time it encounters JavaScript. But Netscape 4.05 requires System 7.5,
> and I can't find it anywhere. I can find any number of places willing to
> sell me system 8, but I only have a 68030 processor, so that's out. And I
> can also find millions of system updates for those who *already* have 7.5.
> But 7.5 itself is conspicuous by its absence.
> 
> Any ideas?

Can you run 7.6? This is available for �75 - I was offered it in a shop
the other day before the assistant realised I had a power mac.

-- 
Paul Arnold

Jocelyn Lavin <jocelyn@wardle.NOSPAM.demon.PLEEEASE!.co.uk> wrote:

> Anyone know where I can get a copy of System 7.5 from? I've recently bought
> lots of extra RAM, so I now have enough memory to run a later system than
> 7.1 - I also want to run a later Netscape than 2.02, as it crashes almost
> every time it encounters JavaScript. But Netscape 4.05 requires System 7.5,
> and I can't find it anywhere. I can find any number of places willing to
> sell me system 8, but I only have a 68030 processor, so that's out. And I
> can also find millions of system updates for those who *already* have 7.5.
> But 7.5 itself is conspicuous by its absence.

I can't help in your search for 7.5, but have you considered 7.6?
Assuming you've not got a SE/30, IIx, or IIcx, 7.6 is almost certainly
a better idea.  You'll possibly find it easier to track down 7.6 than
7.5.anything.  Have you tried asking in uk.comp.sys.mac?

A straight 68k install of 7.6 took about 40MB disc space on my Performa
475, and all the reports I've read from people who have compared 7.6 to
7.5.anything on a 68030 Mac say that 7.6 is *much* better (faster and
more reliable).

The only fly in the ointment is an interesting problem that cropped up
in PC Exchange; you should get hold of a copy of PC Exchange from System
7.5.5 to use with 7.6 to avoid this problem (it's more of a bug in the
PCs that formatted the MS-DOS discs that PC Exchange can't handle, but
since everything in the world can handle these discs except System 7.6's
PC Exchange, it's probably best to call it a bug in PC Exchange).  I can
email you a copy of this if you get 7.6 (I went from 7.1 to 7.6 after
fitting my 475 with 20MB RAM and it's *wonderful*.  I can recommend RAM
Doubler rather than standard VM, by the way).

Rowland.

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Paul Arnold <paularnold@bigfoot.com> wrote:

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> 
> Can you run 7.6? This is available for �75 - I was offered it in a shop
> the other day before the assistant realised I had a power mac.

Don't pay �75 for 7.6; that's roughly how much I paid for it when it was
the latest and greatest OS from Apple.  Haggle and you should be able to
get it *much* cheaper than that.

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In article <paularnold-0808982339550001@the-arnolds.demon.co.uk>,
paularnold@bigfoot.com (Paul Arnold) wrote:

>> Anyone know where I can get a copy of System 7.5 from? I've recently bought
>> lots of extra RAM, so I now have enough memory to run a later system than
>> 7.1 - I also want to run a later Netscape than 2.02, as it crashes almost
>> every time it encounters JavaScript. But Netscape 4.05 requires System 7.5,
>> and I can't find it anywhere. I can find any number of places willing to
>> sell me system 8, but I only have a 68030 processor, so that's out. And I
>> can also find millions of system updates for those who *already* have 7.5.
>> But 7.5 itself is conspicuous by its absence.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>
>Can you run 7.6? This is available for �75 - I was offered it in a shop
>the other day before the assistant realised I had a power mac.

Erm, I don't know whether I can or not! I only know about the 8.0
restrictions from the Apple website.

In article <1ddh6go.19tzdlett5t0wN@p53.nas1.is2.u-net.net>,
real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet (Rebecca and Rowland) wrote:

>I can't help in your search for 7.5, but have you considered 7.6?
>Assuming you've not got a SE/30, IIx, or IIcx, 7.6 is almost certainly
>a better idea.  You'll possibly find it easier to track down 7.6 than
>7.5.anything.  Have you tried asking in uk.comp.sys.mac?

Er, no!

>A straight 68k install of 7.6 took about 40MB disc space on my Performa
>475, and all the reports I've read from people who have compared 7.6 to
>7.5.anything on a 68030 Mac say that 7.6 is *much* better (faster and
>more reliable).

40MB? Ouch! That was something I hadn't considered. My entire HD is only
80MB!

>The only fly in the ointment is an interesting problem that cropped up
>in PC Exchange; you should get hold of a copy of PC Exchange from System
>7.5.5 to use with 7.6 to avoid this problem (it's more of a bug in the
>PCs that formatted the MS-DOS discs that PC Exchange can't handle, but
>since everything in the world can handle these discs except System 7.6's
>PC Exchange, it's probably best to call it a bug in PC Exchange).  I can
>email you a copy of this if you get 7.6 (I went from 7.1 to 7.6 after
>fitting my 475 with 20MB RAM and it's *wonderful*.  I can recommend RAM
>Doubler rather than standard VM, by the way).

RAM is the only thing that's not a problem - I decided I may as well go for
the maximum, so now I've got the luxury of 36MB. Thanks for the offer - may
well get back to you on that.

Rebecca and Rowland <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote:

> Don't pay �75 for 7.6; that's roughly how much I paid for it when it was
> the latest and greatest OS from Apple.  Haggle and you should be able to
> get it *much* cheaper than that.

More to the point there might well be people out there that bought 7.6
(or got it with their machine) and since upgraded.  Try a WTB in
uk.adverts.computer.
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Jocelyn Lavin <jocelyn@wardle.NOSPAM.demon.PLEEEASE!.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <1ddh6go.19tzdlett5t0wN@p53.nas1.is2.u-net.net>,
> real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet (Rebecca and Rowland) wrote:
[snip]
> >A straight 68k install of 7.6 took about 40MB disc space on my Performa
> >475, and all the reports I've read from people who have compared 7.6 to
> >7.5.anything on a 68030 Mac say that 7.6 is *much* better (faster and
> >more reliable).
> 
> 40MB? Ouch! That was something I hadn't considered. My entire HD is only
> 80MB!

Hmm...  Weeelll...  You can probably reduce the disc space used quite a
bit by removing unneccessary ColourSynch profiles, PPD files, speech
synthesis software, and so on.  I *suspect* you could end up with a
System Folder of around 20-30MB if you were ruthless[1].

Having said that, have you considered getting a bigger HDD?  Even 160MB
would be a help, and when I was looking for a HDD for my Plus about 6-12
months ago, I placed a `WTB' ad in uk.adverts.computer and was offered a
160MB HDD for about �20 (from memory).

[snip]

Rowland.

[1] I wasn't and my System Folder now takes 100MB disc space but it is
sitting on a 1GB HDD.

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Jocelyn Lavin <jocelyn@wardle.NOSPAM.demon.PLEEEASE!.co.uk> wrote:

> Anyone know where I can get a copy of System 7.5 from? I've recently bought
> lots of extra RAM, so I now have enough memory to run a later system than
> 7.1 - I also want to run a later Netscape than 2.02, as it crashes almost
> every time it encounters JavaScript. But Netscape 4.05 requires System 7.5,
> and I can't find it anywhere. I can find any number of places willing to
> sell me system 8, but I only have a 68030 processor, so that's out. And I
> can also find millions of system updates for those who *already* have 7.5.
> But 7.5 itself is conspicuous by its absence.
> 
> Any ideas?

Have you tried Apple's FTP site?  I know they offered 6.5, 7.0 and 7.1
for free a few months ago, they may now offer 7.5 as well now.
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Jocelyn Lavin <jocelyn@wardle.NOSPAM.demon.PLEEEASE!.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <paularnold-0808982339550001@the-arnolds.demon.co.uk>,
> paularnold@bigfoot.com (Paul Arnold) wrote:
> 
> >> Anyone know where I can get a copy of System 7.5 from? I've recently bought
> >> lots of extra RAM, so I now have enough memory to run a later system than
> >> 7.1 - I also want to run a later Netscape than 2.02, as it crashes almost
> >> every time it encounters JavaScript. But Netscape 4.05 requires System 7.5,
> >> and I can't find it anywhere. I can find any number of places willing to
> >> sell me system 8, but I only have a 68030 processor, so that's out. And I
> >> can also find millions of system updates for those who *already* have 7.5.
> >> But 7.5 itself is conspicuous by its absence.
> >> 
> >> Any ideas?
> >
> >Can you run 7.6? This is available for �75 - I was offered it in a shop
> >the other day before the assistant realised I had a power mac.
> 
> Erm, I don't know whether I can or not! I only know about the 8.0
> restrictions from the Apple website.

OK, what system have you got?
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In article <1ddirej.4216i118qjh34N@p51.nas1.is2.u-net.net>,
real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet (Rebecca and Rowland) wrote:

>> 40MB? Ouch! That was something I hadn't considered. My entire HD is only
>> 80MB!
>
>Hmm...  Weeelll...  You can probably reduce the disc space used quite a
>bit by removing unneccessary ColourSynch profiles, PPD files, speech
>synthesis software, and so on.  I *suspect* you could end up with a
>System Folder of around 20-30MB if you were ruthless[1].

That's not too bad - my current one is 25MB. 

>Having said that, have you considered getting a bigger HDD?  Even 160MB
>would be a help, and when I was looking for a HDD for my Plus about 6-12
>months ago, I placed a `WTB' ad in uk.adverts.computer and was offered a
>160MB HDD for about �20 (from memory).

I may do this next time my finances are up to it. Earlier this year I got a
very cheap zip drive from uk.a.c and that has helped a lot with the disk
space problem.

In article <1ddjail.gu3wzz17gj6v2N@lon5-41.ukonline.co.uk>,
eric.price@nospam.co.uk (Eric Price) wrote:

>Have you tried Apple's FTP site?  I know they offered 6.5, 7.0 and 7.1
>for free a few months ago, they may now offer 7.5 as well now.

I looked there first. Still only have up to 7.1 (which is what I've already
got). They have many updates (7.5 -> 7.5.3 etc.) but not the actual system.

In article <1ddikb1.lj095311ds3taN@baboon-filt-9.rmplc.co.uk>,
btgsch@rmplc.co.uk (ric) wrote:

>> >Can you run 7.6? This is available for �75 - I was offered it in a shop
>> >the other day before the assistant realised I had a power mac.
>> 
>> Erm, I don't know whether I can or not! I only know about the 8.0
>> restrictions from the Apple website.
>
>OK, what system have you got?

LCIII (68030 processor) currently running system 7.1. 36MB RAM, 80MB HD. I
have since been told by others here that I definitely *can* run 7.6.

Jocelyn Lavin <jocelyn@wardle.NOSPAM.demon.PLEEEASE!.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]
> I may do this next time my finances are up to it. Earlier this year I got a
> very cheap zip drive from uk.a.c and that has helped a lot with the disk
> space problem.

Do be wary of using the Zip drive as a substitute HDD; they're not built
for continuous use (being meant as backup devices), and they're famous
for rolling over and dying if worked too hard.

Rowland.

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Jocelyn Lavin <jocelyn@wardle.NOSPAM.demon.PLEEEASE!.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <1ddjail.gu3wzz17gj6v2N@lon5-41.ukonline.co.uk>,
> eric.price@nospam.co.uk (Eric Price) wrote:
> 
> >Have you tried Apple's FTP site?  I know they offered 6.5, 7.0 and 7.1
> >for free a few months ago, they may now offer 7.5 as well now.
> 
> I looked there first. Still only have up to 7.1 (which is what I've already
> got).

Really?  7.1 on Apple's ftp site?  Could you tell me where please?  I've
tried to find it and failed :-/

Thanks (in advance, hopefully ;-)

Rowland.

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Jocelyn Lavin <jocelyn@wardle.NOSPAM.demon.PLEEEASE!.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <1ddikb1.lj095311ds3taN@baboon-filt-9.rmplc.co.uk>,
> btgsch@rmplc.co.uk (ric) wrote:
> 
> >> >Can you run 7.6? This is available for �75 - I was offered it in a shop
> >> >the other day before the assistant realised I had a power mac.
> >> 
> >> Erm, I don't know whether I can or not! I only know about the 8.0
> >> restrictions from the Apple website.
> >
> >OK, what system have you got?
> 
> LCIII (68030 processor) currently running system 7.1. 36MB RAM, 80MB HD. I
> have since been told by others here that I definitely *can* run 7.6.

The word from Apple is this:

(btw, don't believe the 70MB disc space needed: the straight 68K install
on my 475 took 40MB, and there was plenty of stuff installed that I
could easily do without)

Revised:       3/11/97
Security:      Everyone

Mac OS 7.6: System Requirements (3/97)

======================================================================

Article Created: 11 March 1997

TOPIC -----------------------------------------------------------

What are the system requirements for installing Mac OS 7.6?

DISCUSSION ------------------------------------------------------

The following computers can install Mac OS 7.6:

* Computers with PowerPC microprocessors
* Computers with 68040 microprocessors
* Computers with "32-bit clean" 68030 microprocessors. All computers
  with 68030 microprocessors are 32-bit clean except the Macintosh
  SE/30, Macintosh IIx, and the Macintosh IIcx.

In addition, to install Mac OS 7.6, a computer must have at least 8 MB
of RAM (random-access memory). If your computer has less than 16 MB of
built-in RAM, you must use virtual memory. (Mac OS 7.6 automatically
turns on virtual memory when you install it.)

To install the recommended software, you need about 70 MB of free space
on your hard disk. To install all the optional components, you may need
up to 120 MB of disk space; if you install just the minimum set of
system software, you may only need 40 MB. The exact amount of space
needed varies for different computer models and hard disk sizes.

This article was published in the 12 March 1997 "Information Alley."

Copyright 1997, Apple Computer, Inc.

======================================================================

Created:       3/11/97
Author:        JH
Source:        Austin-Heim
Library:       TECHINFO
Article ID:    TECHINFO-0021106
.

Rowland.

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Jocelyn Lavin <jocelyn@wardle.NOSPAM.demon.PLEEEASE!.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <1ddikb1.lj095311ds3taN@baboon-filt-9.rmplc.co.uk>,
> btgsch@rmplc.co.uk (ric) wrote:
> 
> >> >Can you run 7.6? This is available for �75 - I was offered it in a shop
> >> >the other day before the assistant realised I had a power mac.
> >> 
> >> Erm, I don't know whether I can or not! I only know about the 8.0
> >> restrictions from the Apple website.
> >
> >OK, what system have you got?
> 
> LCIII (68030 processor) currently running system 7.1. 36MB RAM, 80MB HD. I
> have since been told by others here that I definitely *can* run 7.6.

Nice machines, that's what my parents run. Looks like the best strategy
is a cheap replacement internal HD
-- 
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Rebecca and Rowland <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote:

> Jocelyn Lavin <jocelyn@wardle.NOSPAM.demon.PLEEEASE!.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In article <1ddjail.gu3wzz17gj6v2N@lon5-41.ukonline.co.uk>,
> > eric.price@nospam.co.uk (Eric Price) wrote:
> > 
> > >Have you tried Apple's FTP site?  I know they offered 6.5, 7.0 and 7.1
> > >for free a few months ago, they may now offer 7.5 as well now.
> > 
> > I looked there first. Still only have up to 7.1 (which is what I've already
> > got).
> 
> Really?  7.1 on Apple's ftp site?  Could you tell me where please?  I've
> tried to find it and failed :-/
> 
> Thanks (in advance, hopefully ;-)
> 
> Rowland.

The policy is it's not available for free download, but IIRC there was a
link off the european higher education pages which looked promisisng,
talking about 7.1 free for higher ed customers so they could run frex
the stylewriter 1200 driver.
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In article <1ddktts.11y67pyp1exo9N@p24.nas1.is2.u-net.net>,
real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet (Rebecca and Rowland) wrote:

>The word from Apple is this:
>
>(btw, don't believe the 70MB disc space needed: the straight 68K install
>on my 475 took 40MB, and there was plenty of stuff installed that I
>could easily do without)
>
>Revised:       3/11/97
>Security:      Everyone
>
>Mac OS 7.6: System Requirements (3/97)

Thanks for this.

In article <1ddktrj.1nuwrm5zco55N@p24.nas1.is2.u-net.net>,
real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet (Rebecca and Rowland) wrote:

>Really?  7.1 on Apple's ftp site?  Could you tell me where please?  I've
>tried to find it and failed :-/

I may have remembered it wrong. And in any case it was actually ftp via
their website, when I think of it (uk.apple.com or whatever it's called).
But I'll look and see.

In article <1ddm0c4.1xrjzga9wgilcN@stingray-filt-25.rmplc.co.uk>,
btgsch@rmplc.co.uk (ric) wrote:

>> LCIII (68030 processor) currently running system 7.1. 36MB RAM, 80MB HD. I
>> have since been told by others here that I definitely *can* run 7.6.
>
>Nice machines, that's what my parents run. Looks like the best strategy
>is a cheap replacement internal HD

That's next on my shopping list, when my finances have recovered from a
drop-of-the-hat trip to Atlanta in May.

In article <1ddktok.1rd0k2vm748kxN@p24.nas1.is2.u-net.net>,
real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet (Rebecca and Rowland) wrote:

>> I may do this next time my finances are up to it. Earlier this year I got a
>> very cheap zip drive from uk.a.c and that has helped a lot with the disk
>> space problem.
>
>Do be wary of using the Zip drive as a substitute HDD; they're not built
>for continuous use (being meant as backup devices), and they're famous
>for rolling over and dying if worked too hard.

Thanks, I'll bear that in mind - but I *am* mainly using it for backup.
What helped was that I was able to shift large applications/files onto it
that I don't use *that* often.

ric <btgsch@rmplc.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]
> The policy is it's not available for free download, but IIRC there was a
> link off the european higher education pages which looked promisisng,
> talking about 7.1 free for higher ed customers so they could run frex
> the stylewriter 1200 driver.

I remember hearing about this some time ago, but the Web site was
re-designed and no-one I've spoken to has managed to find 7.1 since :-(

I've looked myself, by the way, and drawn a blank.  Any suggestions
where I might try?

Rowland.

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Jocelyn Lavin <jocelyn@wardle.NOSPAM.demon.PLEEEASE.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <1ddktrj.1nuwrm5zco55N@p24.nas1.is2.u-net.net>,
> real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet (Rebecca and Rowland) wrote:
> 
> >Really?  7.1 on Apple's ftp site?  Could you tell me where please?  I've
> >tried to find it and failed :-/
> 
> I may have remembered it wrong. And in any case it was actually ftp via
> their website, when I think of it (uk.apple.com or whatever it's called).

Ah yes - I remember hearing about this and looking myself; I couldn't
find it because they're re-designed the Web site and it seems to have
vanished.

> But I'll look and see.

I'd certainly appreciate any pointers you might come up with.

Cheers
Rowland.

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Rebecca and Rowland <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote:

> ric <btgsch@rmplc.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> > The policy is it's not available for free download, but IIRC there was a
> > link off the european higher education pages which looked promisisng,
> > talking about 7.1 free for higher ed customers so they could run frex
> > the stylewriter 1200 driver.
> 
> I remember hearing about this some time ago, but the Web site was
> re-designed and no-one I've spoken to has managed to find 7.1 since :-(
> 
> I've looked myself, by the way, and drawn a blank.  Any suggestions
> where I might try?
> 
> Rowland.

I remember a couple (3? 4?) of years ago Apple announced what I think
they called an 'amnesty' for HE users with 7.1. Don't recall that they
actually made downloads available though.

Tim
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