🚀 go-pugleaf

Sam and Alastair Beadle <samnali@delfloria.deletethis.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

> OK I give up - someone tell me about Mac OS (7.5.7) extensions.

No, because there's no such OS as 7.5.7.

> After getting our Mac we had several clashes - some fiddling around and we
> got rid of all the problem ones. Now my daughter has got a new program
> that clashes with - guess what - our PPP extension - eek! So at the moment
> we have to start up, reset the extension (and virtual memory - it causes
> some of her games problems too) - then restart. THEN repeat it before we
> can use the internet.
> 
> So - the questions:
> 
> Is there any way of resetting all these things in one easy step - a script
> sounds good but the Extensions manager is not scriptable (as, I have
> found, are a lot of other programs and controls).

You don't need to use the Extensions Manager: you can move the relevant
files directly using the Finder (btw, have you tried a different PPP?
OT/PPP or FreePPP are pretty much as good as each other all other things
being equal); a script I've written to do a similar sort of job to this
looks like (stuff following).  I'm not sure about resetting VM.  have
you tried looking for some scripting extensions that might be able to
help with this?  Someone in comp.sys.mac.programmer might have a better
idea.

property gv_faxing_extension_List : {�
  "Schr�dinger's cat:Freezer:Global Village:GlobalFax", �
  "Schr�dinger's cat:Freezer:Global Village:Global Village Toolbox", �
  "Schr�dinger's cat:Freezer:Global Village:GV Address Book Engine"}

property gv_faxing_control_panel_List : {"Schr�dinger's
cat:Freezer:Global Village:TelePort"}

property gv_faxing_file_List : gv_faxing_extension_List & �
  gv_faxing_control_panel_List

set files_found_ok to checkForFiles()

(*if files_found_ok then
  display dialog "Found files"
else
  display dialog "Didn't find files"
end if*)

if files_found_ok then
  repeat with a_file_path in gv_faxing_extension_List
    set a_file to a_file_path as alias
    tell application "Finder" to move a_file to extensions folder
  end repeat
  repeat with a_file_path in gv_faxing_control_panel_List
    set a_file to a_file_path as alias
    tell application "Finder" to move file a_file to control panels
folder
  end repeat
  tell application "Finder" to restart
else
  display dialog �
    "I didn't move anything because one or more of the Global Village
files was missing"
end if

on checkForFiles()
  set files_found_ok to true
  repeat with a_file in gv_faxing_file_List
    try
      get info for (a reference to file a_file)
    on error
      display dialog "Couldn't find file " & a_file with icon 2
      set files_found_ok to false
    end try
  end repeat
  return files_found_ok
end checkForFiles


> Why does the extensions manager not control all of them? If I turn them
> all off and look in the extensions folder it is still full of stuff. Files
> like Apple Guide files and so on I can understand but many of them are
> real extensions!

I wish I knew why too, but I don't.

[snip]

Rowland.

-- 
Remove the animal for my email address:   rebecca@astrid.dog.u-net.com
Sorry - the spam got to me.                       PGP pub key A680B89D
UK biker?                    Join MAG and help keep bureaucracy at bay
                          http://dredd.meng.ucl.ac.uk/www/mag/mag.html

Sam and Alastair Beadle <samnali@delfloria.deletethis.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

> OK I give up - someone tell me about Mac OS (7.5.7) extensions.

Ther is no OS 7.5.7 Do you mean 7.5.1? If so, as a first step, look at
the free updates to 7.5.3 and 7.5.5
> 
> After getting our Mac we had several clashes - some fiddling around and we
> got rid of all the problem ones. Now my daughter has got a new program
> that clashes with - guess what - our PPP extension - eek! So at the moment
> we have to start up, reset the extension (and virtual memory - it causes
> some of her games problems too) - then restart. THEN repeat it before we
> can use the internet.
> 
> So - the questions:
> 
> Is there any way of resetting all these things in one easy step - a script
> sounds good but the Extensions manager is not scriptable (as, I have
> found, are a lot of other programs and controls).

You can just script the finder to move extensions etc about, but I
wouldn't recommend it. Which PPP extension are you using? You should be
able to find one which doesn't clash, be more precise in your
descriptions, FreePPP, MacPPP, OT/PPP? 
> Why does the extensions manager not control all of them? If I turn them
> all off and look in the extensions folder it is still full of stuff. Files
> like Apple Guide files and so on I can understand but many of them are
> real extensions!

Some are necessary. Some aren't really extensions from some viewpoints,
eg the file sharing extension. Again, it depends which OS version you
are runnig, for that matter what kind of mac?
> 
> Er - that will do for now - any ideas people?
> 
> Alastair (I have a degree in computing so dont worry about getting
> technical - but this really has me baffled!)


-- 
'ric

Sam and Alastair Beadle <samnali@delfloria.deletethis.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

> OK I give up - someone tell me about Mac OS (7.5.7) extensions.

My rusty brain remembers 7.5, 7.5.1, 7.5.3 and 7.5.5 but not 7.5.7.
Check that again!

> After getting our Mac we had several clashes - some fiddling around and we
> got rid of all the problem ones. Now my daughter has got a new program
> that clashes with - guess what - our PPP extension - eek! So at the moment
> we have to start up, reset the extension (and virtual memory - it causes
> some of her games problems too) - then restart. THEN repeat it before we
> can use the internet.
>
> So - the questions:
> 
> Is there any way of resetting all these things in one easy step - a script
> sounds good but the Extensions manager is not scriptable (as, I have
> found, are a lot of other programs and controls).

All the Extensions Manager is doing is moving Extensions between the
"Extensions" folder and the "Extensions (Disabled)" (and similar for
Control Panels etc.) You could write a script to move the Extensions
around yourself. I'm not sure if you can script turning VM on and off
though... and AppleScript wizards around...?

> Why does the extensions manager not control all of them? If I turn them
> all off and look in the extensions folder it is still full of stuff. Files
> like Apple Guide files and so on I can understand but many of them are
> real extensions!

Now, there are 'real' Extensions and 'real' Extensions.

Some Extensions (e.g. QuickTime) patch new functionality into the
System, and to do this they have to load at startup time. They often
show their icons along the bottom of the screen while the machine starts
up. They sometimes conflict with each other and often use lots of
memory, and so you can use the Extension Manager to turn them on and off
if you have problems or need to free up memory.

Other Extensions don't patch the System in the same way. They don't need
to load anything at startup time, but only load when needed. They don't
cause Extension clashes in the same way that 'normal' Extensions do, and
don't use RAM until they are needed, and so don't need to be controlled
by the Extensions Manager.

The Extensions Manager (and third-party products like Symbionants) can
tell the difference between Extensions which load at startup and those
that don't, and only give you the option to switch the former on and off
as that's all you need.

There are other things that live inside the Extensions Folder that
aren't Extensions at all (e.g. Printer Descriptions, AppleGuide files)
and therefore aren't harmful to anything. Just leave them there, unless
you're sure you don't need them.

I hope that was a clear explanation!


And now some suggestions:

What versions of the software you have are you running? It might be a
good idea to re-install your System, and so it could possibly do with an
upgrade at the same time. What type of PPP software are you using?
OT/PPP 1.0.1 and FreePPP 2.6.2 are both current - make sure you're using
one of those. If you're using one of those at the moment, try the other
one - they both do more or less the same thing, and more or less as well
as each other.

See if the other software you're running has upgrades available (visit
the developers' Web sites, or try <http://www.versiontracker.com/>.

Conflict Catcher is designed to help in these situations, but I've never
tried it myself. It might be worth giving your system a rebuild/upgrade
and upgrading your other software before shelling out for it.

HTH

-- 
Mark Etherington @ London UK
mark@roxley.demon.co.uk

ric <btgsch@rmplc.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]
> 
> You can just script the finder to move extensions etc about, but I
> wouldn't recommend it.

It works for me :-)

> Which PPP extension are you using? You should be
> able to find one which doesn't clash, be more precise in your
> descriptions, FreePPP, MacPPP, OT/PPP? 

FWIW, MacPPP is the ancestor of FreePPP.  It's normally only sensible to
use it if you've got a 68000 Mac (use MacPPP 2.0.1).

[snip]


-- 
Remove the animal for my email address:   rebecca@astrid.dog.u-net.com
Sorry - the spam got to me.                       PGP pub key A680B89D
UK biker?                    Join MAG and help keep bureaucracy at bay
                          http://dredd.meng.ucl.ac.uk/www/mag/mag.html

In article <samnali-1208982101310001@delfloria.demon.co.uk>,
samnali@delfloria.deletethis.demon.co.uk (Sam and Alastair Beadle) wrote:

> OK I give up - someone tell me about Mac OS (7.5.7) extensions.
Ok OK - oops - I typo'd - it is 7.5.5

And we are using Free PPP and I now think that it may be the Free PPP Menu
(that litte telephone in the corner as my daughter calls it) that is
causing the problem not Free PPP itself.

Someone e-mailed me with the tip of holding down the space bar when
starting up to get the exctensions manager BEFORE the extensions load -
now THAT was what I was after! Why is it not in any of the manuals - In 24
point bold type!!!

Lots of other recommendations about ditching VM and buying 'real' memory -
we'll think about that one - not convinced though...

Thanks guys - my confidence in Apple is given a boost - although
confidence in their documentors is at an all time low :(

byee

-- 
--
(Remove the "deletethis." from the return address to reply by e-mail)

Alastair