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>>>>> "Simon" == Simon Child <simon.child@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

Simon> 1) Sometimes I shall want to send mail to someone@w-c-f.org.uk
Simon> (which is directly forwarded by gradwell to fred@another.isp)
Simon> and want it to get out of here. I suspect that sendmail (8.9.1)
Simon> will not be inclined to send it out since it will regard
Simon> anyone@w-c-f.org.uk as local?

You don't have to accept email for that domain as local (listed in
sendmail.cw or class W).  I have much the same setup for
netscum.org.uk and the people who do your email redirect actually
rewrite the smtp envelope to whatever domain you specified.  So as
long as sendmail accepts whatever email address you've had it
rewritten to you'll be fine.

Simon> 2) Similarly what about majordomo? Currently majordomo runs as
Simon> majordomo@child.demon.co.uk with maillist-L@child.demon.co.uk
Simon> OK, I'll have to tell the list members the new
Simon> address. Presumably if I name the linux box as w-c-f.org.uk
Simon> then majordomo will name the lists as maillist-L@w-c-f.org.uk
Simon> etc or maillist-L@somename.w-c-f.org.uk if I call it
Simon> somename.w-c-f.org.uk?

Majordomo will dealt with whatever lists it's given to my knowledge
(when you set up the alias remember you tell it what email address
it's serving).  It will deal with list@box.demon.co.uk and
list@box.co.uk in the same way if someone rewrites the smtp envelope
box.co.uk to box.demon.co.uk.

Stefan

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Stefan Davids <stefan+usenet@netscum.org.uk> wrote in message
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> >>>>> "Simon" == Simon Child <simon.child@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Simon> 1) Sometimes I shall want to send mail to someone@w-c-f.org.uk
> Simon> (which is directly forwarded by gradwell to fred@another.isp)
> Simon> and want it to get out of here. I suspect that sendmail (8.9.1)
> Simon> will not be inclined to send it out since it will regard
> Simon> anyone@w-c-f.org.uk as local?

> You don't have to accept email for that domain as local (listed in
> sendmail.cw or class W).

Ah, good point. That solves that one.

> Simon> 2) Similarly what about majordomo? Currently majordomo runs as
> Simon> majordomo@child.demon.co.uk with maillist-L@child.demon.co.uk
> Simon> OK, I'll have to tell the list members the new
> Simon> address. Presumably if I name the linux box as w-c-f.org.uk
> Simon> then majordomo will name the lists as maillist-L@w-c-f.org.uk
> Simon> etc or maillist-L@somename.w-c-f.org.uk if I call it
> Simon> somename.w-c-f.org.uk?
>
> Majordomo will dealt with whatever lists it's given to my knowledge
> (when you set up the alias remember you tell it what email address
> it's serving).  It will deal with list@box.demon.co.uk and
> list@box.co.uk in the same way if someone rewrites the smtp envelope
> box.co.uk to box.demon.co.uk.

Prompted by James' posting I've just found the wherami in majordomo.cf.
I did of course have a look before posting but it's so long since I set
it up I was looking in the wrong place (I was looking in the individual
lists config and had forgotten about majordomo.cf).

As you imply, and which I was overlooking, since the incoming mail has
had it's incoming address rewritten, majordomo will not even see it as
w-c-f.org.uk, so in a sense nothing changes except for the info in
majordomo.cf

Thanks

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Simon Child

James R Grinter <jrg@blodwen.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Some musings..
>
> "Simon Child" <simon.child@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes:
> > My domain is w-c-f.org.uk, so probably I shall name my linux box as
> > w-c-f.org.uk and others on my lan as subdomains e.g.
simon.w-c-f.org.uk
> > (Or maybe the linux box should be somename.w-c-f.org.uk - I've just
>
> You could do this - but the existence of external DNS, unless you want
> to (are able to) list your internal hosts in that external DNS, might
> complicate things for you.

Hmm, good point. This is the sort of reason for my asking before I
leap...

> [I've genericised @w-c-f.org.uk to @your-domain in the following,
> strangely easier to type]

Of course I would have preferred wcf.org.uk but it had already gone :-(

> As I see it, there are two options for the mail:

> 1. Configure your system(s) to send out mail as @your-domain, (which
> doesn't necessarily mean that you have to receive mail locally as
> that. I'm not familiar with the clicknames nee gradwell.com service
> and so don't know if they offer you a POP3 mailbox to pick it up from,
> or whether they rewrite to another address/es of your asking?)

The latter, so in fact I'm not receiving mail as w-c-f.org.uk anyway...

> 2. Use mail aliases matching those you've deployed on the external
> mail-handling system so that you route @your-domain mail the same way
> as they would do, and accept anything else @your-domain for local
> delivery.

..so this doesn't apply

> and two seperate options for the hosts:
>
> A. Rename your hosts, run an internal DNS with the internal names, but
> containing identical host entries for those in the external DNS. You
> don't have to have a machine called 'your-domain', in fact for simple
> clarity/sanity reasons it's probably better that you don't.

Probably just using the hosts file would be enough, wouldn't it?

> B. Don't rename your internal hosts. Hostnames have actually no
> bearing upon mail addresses (if think about it - Demon don't actually
> have to have a machine called 'child.demon.co.uk' available to receive
> your mail at present.)
>
> > 2) Similarly what about majordomo? Currently majordomo runs as
> > majordomo@child.demon.co.uk with maillist-L@child.demon.co.uk  OK,
I'll
> > have to tell the list members the new address. Presumably if I name
the
>
> > will pick up whatever name I give the linux box? I think so, and
perhaps
>
> I think each majordomo list will pick up the name you tell them to
> pick up (the default is probably that returned by 'hostname', but
> there is a $whereami value in majordomo.cf, for 1.9x). In Majordomo
> 1.9x that seems to be controllable with 'resend_host' in the list
> config file, although it is possible that the host MTA will override
> any such value later on... Your skills with the MTA might influence
> your choices here.

I had forgotten about majordomo.cf, which seems to solve all this.

> You could accept the old names, but send out with the new, and send
> all subscribers a note asking them to send to the new address (noting
> that it will go away at some point in the future, etc.) You could even
> set the old address to auto-respond directing the sender to the new
> list address at a point before you turn off/lose it entirely.

Yes I had thought of that

> (So many ways...)

.. to get it wrong ;-)

Thanks to both of you, I'm clearer now:

I think there's no real need to rename. It would be a little tidier,
e.g. Outlook Express, as well as stripping the trailing space off my sig
separator :-(( gives email message id's of xyz@tower.localdomain instead
of 123@simon.w-c-f.org.uk, but it's only a nicety

Incoming and outgoing mail should work alright (indeed are doing already
as I haven't done any renaming)

A tinker with majodomo.cf and the associated aliases should sort out the
lists.

Might cause me dns work if I rename.

Cheers

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Simon Child