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On 2007-07-02 20:24:07 -0400, Phil <dogglebe@yahoooo.com> said:

> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:39:56 GMT, Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 15:12:59 -0400, Phil <dogglebe@yahoooo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 21:23:54 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> NO WOMD found. Bush Lied.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> NO WOMD found. Bush Lied.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> NO WOMD found. No Yellowcake found. Bush Lied.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mike lied.
>>> 
>>> On more than one occasion have I cited where missiles containing
>>> mustard gas were found.  Mike has chosen to downplay this finding.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Phil
>> 
>> Did he lie, or is he just to stupid to recognize a lie, such as no
>> WMD's, and repeats it?
>> 
>> Who knows?
> 
> Mike has a habit of disregarding the truth when it gets in the way of
> his shits and giggles arguing

Did the Bush administration AND the BBC lie, Phi?

No WMD in Iraq, source claims
No weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq by the group 
looking for them, according to a Bush administration source who has 
spoken to the BBC.
This will be the conclusion of the Iraq Survey Group's interim report, 
the source told the presenter of BBC television's Daily Politics show, 
Andrew Neil.

Downing Street branded the story "speculation about an unfinished draft 
of an interim report".

Mr Neil said the draft report - which the source said is due to be 
published next month - concludes that it is highly unlikely that 
weapons of mass destruction were shipped out of the country to places 
like Syria before the US-led war on Iraq.


The bottom line is that the team has found no weapons of mass destruction
Andrew Neil
It will also say that Saddam Hussein mounted a huge programme to 
deceive and hinder the work of United Nations weapons inspectors, he 
said.

Mr Neil said that according to the source, the report will say its 
inspectors have not even unearthed "minute amounts of nuclear, chemical 
or biological weapons material".

They have also not uncovered any laboratories involved in deploying 
weapons of mass destruction and no delivery systems for the weapons.


IRAQ SURVEY GROUP
Took over WMD hunt from the US military in June
Using intelligence to build picture of Iraqi weapons programmes
Led by US general, but has some UK and Australian staff
1,300 staff include former UN weapons inspectors
But, Mr Neil added, the report would publish computer programmes, 
files, pictures and paperwork which it says shows that Saddam Hussein's 
regime was attempting to develop a weapons of mass destruction 
programme.
CIA spokesman Bill Harlow told the Reuters news agency he expected the 
report would "reach no firm conclusions, nor will it rule anything in 
or out".

Reuters also quoted a senior US official as saying the Iraq Survey 
Group (ISG) was expected to report finding "documentary evidence" that 
Iraq had chemical and biological weapons programmes.

"Whether they will find or disclose anything on the weapons themselves, 
I doubt," said the official.

'Savage blow'

UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said: "This is speculation on an as yet 
unpublished report.

"I await the report eagerly from Mr Kay (head of the survey group), as 
does the international community."

Mr Straw argued that the whole international community had agreed 
Iraq's weapons programmes had posed - the issue had been what to do 
about it.


People did not need the ISG report for evidence of that threat, he 
said. It was already shown in volumes of reports from UN inspectors.
A Number 10 spokesman said "we don't have this text", but asked if the 
prime minister had seem the report, remarked: "We are not going into 
details of process."

Mr Neil, a former editor of the Sunday Times, stressed he had not seen 
the draft report, and was reporting what a single source had said its 
findings were likely to be.

He said the report was still to be finalised and could undergo some 
changes, but the source had been told the content of some key passages 
which were not expected to be substantively altered.

Former Conservative cabinet minister Michael Portillo said if these 
details of the report were true, it would be a "savage blow" to the 
prime minister.

'Fake facilities'

The inspectors have uncovered no evidence that any weapons were 
actually built in the immediate years before the war, the leak of the 
report suggests.

It is alleged that Saddam Hussein's programme of deception involved 
fake facilities and infrastructure to deceive and hinder the work of UN 
weapons inspectors.


The group may well conclude that Iraq had an elaborate and secret 
effort to maintain elements of its weapons programmes - in 'suspended 
animation' if you like
Jonathan Marcus
BBC defence correspondent
Documents have been uncovered showing weapons facilities were concealed 
as commercial buildings, the report is likely to say.

The ISG took over the job of finding WMD from the US military in June.

The survey group, led by David Kay, a former UN weapons inspector and 
now a special adviser to the CIA, is a largely US operation, although 
it includes some British and Australian staff.

Its 1,400 personnel are made up of scientists, military and 
intelligence experts, and its work is shrouded in secrecy.

Its focus is intelligence, using documents and interviews with Iraqi 
scientists to build up a picture of the secret world of Iraq's weapons 
programmes.

The survey group has been under pressure to prove the Bush 
administration's case that Iraq's weapons posed a significant threat.

Gary Samor, of the International Institute for Strategic Studies in 
London, recently told the BBC that UN inspection teams should have been 
sent back into Iraq as there would be much scepticism about the ISG's 
findings.


Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3135932.stm

Published: 2003/09/24 19:48:16 GMT

-- 
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in 
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after 
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it 
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a 
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist 
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to 
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL 
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of 
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY 
COUNTRY."
�
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials