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Re: Former -Top Marine said:

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From: Gene
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:16
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On 29 Jan 2005 09:38:32 -0800, "RH" <halcon7roho@yahoo.com> wrote:


>
>"...remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have
>always won. There  have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time
>they can seem invincible, but in the  end they always fall..."  -
>Mahatma Gandhi

  When enough force is applied, do they fall.
>
>=================================
>
>"War is a quarrel between two thieves too cowardly to fight their own
>battle; therefore they take boys from one village and another village,
>stick them into uniforms, equip them with guns, and let them loose like
>wild beasts against each other."  -Thomas Carlyle

  I wouldn't call Hitler a thief, that would be insulting to them!
>
>==================================
>
>"Can anything be stupider than that a man has the right to kill me
>because he lives on the other side of a river and his ruler has a
>quarrel with mine, though I have not quarreled with him?"
>-Blaise Pascal

  If that ruler has convinced his people to fight and kill, shall you
stand by and just let them kill you?
>
>===================================
>
>"Do we owe our freedom to our fighting men? To be drafted is to be
>enslaved. How can we owe our freedom to slaves? They may have fought
>bravely and died with courage, but they haven't given us any freedom.
>We would have been in their debt if they had refused to fight
>foreigners and instead freed themselves from the American politicians
>who continue to enslave us."
>-Allen Thornton

  And had they not been drafted, we'd all be speaking german...
>
>===================================
>
>"YOUNG MEN: The lowest aim in your life is to become a soldier. The
>good soldier never tries to distinguish right from wrong. He never
>thinks; never reasons; he only obeys. If he is ordered to fire on his
>fellow citizens, on his friends, on his neighbors, on his relatives, he
>obeys without hesitation. If he is ordered to fire down a crowded
>street when the poor are clamoring for bread, he obeys and see the grey
>hairs of age stained with red and the life tide gushing from the
>breasts of women, feeling neither remorse nor sympathy. If he is
>ordered off as a firing squad to execute a hero or benefactor, he fires
>without hesitation, though he knows the bullet will pierce the noblest
>heart that ever beat in human breast.
>"A good soldier is a blind, heartless, soulless, murderous machine. He
>is not a man. His is not a brute, for brutes kill only in self defense.
>All that is human in him, all that is divine in him, all that
>constitutes the man has been sworn away when he took the enlistment
>roll. His mind, his conscience, aye, his very soul, are in the keeping
>of his officer. No man can fall lower than a soldier-it is a depth
>beneath which we cannot go."
>- Jack London

  John Griffith London (1876-1916) was born in San Francisco of an
unmarried mother of wealthy background, Flora Wellman (In other words,
he was a bastard and his mother a slut)

  . The family moved around the Bay area before settling in Oakland,
where Jack completed grade school. Though the family was working
class, it was not so impoverished as London's later accounts claimed.
(So, the guy was a bastard and a liar)

In the process, he became acquainted with socialism and was known as
the Boy Socialist of Oakland for his street corner oratory.  He would
run unsuccessfully several times on the socialist ticket as mayor.
(And yet, he lived amoung the fruits of capitalism)

London was among the most publicized figures of his day, and he used
this pulpit to endorse his support of socialism, women's suffrage, and
eventually, prohibition. He was among the first writers to work with
the movie industry, and saw a number of his novels made into films.
His novel The Sea-Wolf became the basis for the first full-length
American movie.  He was also one of the first celebrities to use his
endorsement for commercial products in advertising, including dress
suits and grape juice. (Like I said, while grabbing at the fruits of
capitalism)

London's first marriage (1900) was to Bess Maddern, with whom he had
two daughters, Joan and Bess. In choosing her, he followed the precept
in a book he co-wrote with Anna Strunsky, The Kempton-Wace Letters,
that mates should be selected for good breeding, not love. (Bess
agreed.)  (Stupid people shouldn't breed)

Following an affair with "New Woman" Charmian Kittredge, five years
his senior, he divorced Bess. In 1905 he married his "Mate Woman," who
became the persona for many of his female characters and who avidly
joined him on his many travel ventures. He encouraged her own writing
career, and she wrote three books concerning their life (The Log of
the Snark, Our Hawaii, and The Book of Jack London). (Like mother (a
slut) Like son (A cheating bastard)
>=================================
>
>"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired,
>signifies in a final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not
>fed-those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not
>spending its money alone-it is spending the sweat of its laborers,
>the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
>-Dwight Eisenhower

  Kind of hypocritical for him to say that, while sending in troops to
kill lots of people :)
>
>*****************************************************************
>
>"Patriotism in its simplest, clearest, and most indubitable meaning is
>nothing but an instrument for the attainment of the government's
>ambitious and mercenary aims, and a renunciation of human dignity,
>common sense, and conscience by the governed, and a slavish submission
>to those who hold power. That is what is really preached wherever
>patriotism is championed. Patriotism is slavery."
>-Leo Tolstoy, Christianity and Patriotism

  1852: Joins the army
Enlisted in the army he is transferred with his brother to the
Caucuses. He begins to write Childhood.


>====================================
>
>"[D]iscipline consists in this, that the men who undergo the
>instruction and have followed it for a certain time are completely
>deprived of everything which is precious to a man-of the chief human
>property, rational freedom-and become submissive, machine-like
>implements of murder in the hands of their organized hierarchic
>authorities."
>-Leo Tolstoy, Patriotism and Government

1852: Joins the army
Enlisted in the army he is transferred with his brother to the
Caucuses. He begins to write Childhood.


>
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>
>"Sure, there were lots of bodies we never identified. You know what a
>direct hit by a shell does to a guy. Or a mine, or a solid hit with a
>grenade, even. Sometimes all we have is a leg or a hunk of arm. The
>ones that stink the worst are the guys who got internal wounds and are
>dead about three weeks with the blood staying inside and rotting, and
>when you move the body the blood comes out of the nose and mouth. Then
>some of them bloat up in the sun, they bloat up so big that they bust
>the buttons and then they get blue and the skin peels. They don't all
>get blue, some of them get black. But they all stunk. There's only one
>stink and that's it. You never get used to it, either. As long as you
>live, you never get used to it. And after a while, the stink gets in
>your clothes and you can taste it in your mouth. You know what I think?
>I think maybe if every civilian in the world could smell this stink,
>then maybe we wouldn't have any more wars."
>-Technical Sergeant Donald Haguall

  Geeze, quote the source idiot!

  The GI War  (The book was called that, since everything a soldier
used, was "Government Issue" It's quite a good book and has some funny
pics (Drawn by cartoonists of the time) and comments.

  Like when a bunch of men were showering, a group of nurses happened
to finally arrive, so overjoyed, the men stood outside the showers and
cheered their arrival, sans clothing.
>
>======================================
>
>"Whether the mask is labelled Fascism, Democracy, or Dictatorship of
>the Proletariat, our great adversary remains the Apparatus-the
>bureaucracy, the police, the military. Not the one facing us across the
>frontier or the battlelines, which is not so much our enemy as our
>brother's enemy, but the one that calls itself our protector and makes
>us its slaves. No matter what the circumstances, the worst betrayal
>will always be to subordinate ourselves to this Apparatus, and to
>trample underfoot, in its service, all human values in ourselves and in
>others."
>- Simone Weil

Weil Died in 1943 at Grosvenor Sanatorium in England at the age of
thirty-four. She had begun to eat only what the French official ration
allowed. She was diagnosed with tuberculosis and continued to limit
her food intake thinking that the food she did not eat would somehow
go to her compatriots in France. Upon her death, it was ruled that she
had committed suicide by starving herself β€œwhile the balance of her
mind was disturbed.” This ruling is often contested, as many believe
that Weil’s death was a result of her martyrdom taken to its logical
end. (In other words, she was as mad as a hatter)
>
>========================
>
>Knowing and spreading the TRUTH will set us free
>(from war & the insanely greedy bastards who make them).
>Accepting their lies will keep us in chains.

  Umm..who said that?
>
>=========================
>
>"Without sharing there can be no justice;
>without justice there can be no peace;
>without peace there can be no future."
>The World Teacher


  Yeah, I don't have a problem with sharing, but if I give you a few
lead pigs, I sure as shit won't like them returned as bullets trying
to kill me.
>
>
>Nobody is expected to believe the information at the above site, but
>you are
>hereby cordially encouraged to familiarize yourself with the story
>presented there  - so you won't be taken entirely by surprise when it
>breaks. A measure of scepticism is healthy and necessary,  but try to
>keep an open mind!

  I wish you had a mind even.
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