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"Keith A. Glass" <salgak@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3af28eb0.251273121@news.erols.com...
> On Fri, 04 May 2001 05:35:41 GMT, "mapanari" <mapanari@earthlink.nut>
> wrote:
>
> >No kidding.  I've been pissed at the way American seems to value children
so
> >much when we're overpopulated.
>
> Since when ??
> >I firmly believe that every legal American citizen has the right to have
one
> >child.
> >If you want to marry, you and your wife decide who gives up their
allotment
> >first.
> >If you get divorced, there is not custody case.  If the child is the
result
> >of your own one allotment, it's your child.  Very simple. No alimony
either.
>
> You've been reading too much Larry Niven.  Do you also propose
> Gladiatorial Pits, where two people, each with an unused birthright,
> go in, and one comes out alive with two birthrights ??  Perhaps
> disassemble convicted felons for the organ banks ??  And a Birthright
> Lottery to hand out those unused birthrights, and as a result, breed
> for Luck over time ???
>
> >If women want to run around and have a beetle-browed club-footed child
from
> >the first biker who beats the crap out of them when they're 17, fine.
but
> >they can't have anymore until they find a man who hasn't used up his own
one
> >allotment.  But that first child is hers and she can't pawn him off, give
> >him away or dispose of him or her at all unless the court takes it away.
> >Then after she's born her 2nd, using the man's allotment, and her last,
her
> >tubes are tied and his are too.  It's over.  If one of the kids gets run
> >over or taken away because of bad parenting, too bad.  You never see it
> >again or get another chance.  You get one chance.
>
> Friend, there's a place that has just such a system.  Perhaps you
> ought to emigrate there.  I'm sure the People's Republic of China
> would love to have you as a new citizen. . .
>

Every country is not 100% evil and 100% stupid.  The chinese are doing an
excellent job in the field of population control; they've seen first hand
for centuries what happens when you hide your head in the sand.  Millions
dying of starvation and whole future generations of children who will never
amount to anything because they didn't get the proper nutrition when young.
Just like in Africa today.
Soviet Russia had a wonderful system on religion.  They had the 3 majors,
but they didn't allow prostelitizing and they didn't allow evengelical
groups and they didn't give massive tax breaks for religions.  Their system
was not freedom *of* religion, but freedom *from* religion, which imho
opinion is where our founding fathers screwed up royally.
Cuba's people are more literate and in better health than the average
American.
You take the good ideas from other people and work them.  You throw away the
bad ideas.
So, your use of China as an excuse to denigrate the idea of population
control just shows you your ignorance.

> >If you're some silly christian and can't bear the idea of abortion, fine.
>
> I think a lot of them are silly as well, but now you appear to be
> saying that they can no longer freely practice their religion.

Of course.  You should never be able to practice your religion at the
expense of other people and the state.
Otherwise we'd still have Christians burning Jews alive at the stake.
Religion has nothing to do with abortion, sex etc.
If your religion tells you that sex is a filthy thing and that abortion is
immoral, fine.  But when the state and the majority of the populace tells
you that you can't have 22 snot nosed children and makes you get an
abortion, you can whine and cry all you want, but the state comes first. Not
you and your strange religions or ideas.

>
> "Be fruitful and multiply", as I recall, was the charge. . .
>
> >We really must get away from this reward system for the worse of us to
have
> >the most of us.
>
> Simple.  Make Welfare a single rate, regardless of how many kids you
> have...
>
Simple, do away with all welfare.

Think about it.  You reward people for the bad lifestyle choices and
self-induced mistakes they make.

When you want your dog to roll over and pee on the carpet on command, you
give him a nice cookie every time he does so.
When you want a mother to sit around and watch Oprah and have more children
and never work, you give her money and even more money for dropping out of
school, taking drugs, not working and having more children.
It's amazing how the birth rate amongst future welfare mothers declined when
confronted with the welfare reform act which cut them off after two years.
The birth rates for poor blacks and white went down over 20% in the first
two years!

mapi