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Re: Correcting a misconception about Air Tran

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From: Lou Minatti�
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:00
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Adam Weiss wrote:
> 
> "Lou Minatti�" wrote:
> >
> > Adam Weiss wrote:
> > >
> > > "Matthew T. Russotto" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <C6C8184D921E4419.C10188D8B523605A.365910F4881DD92C@lp.airnews.net>,
> > > > Adam Weiss  <aw722@pdq.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > }The answer to that is simple.
> > > > }
> > > > }Packages should be put through x-ray systems and sniffed by drug and
> > > > }bomb sensing dogs.  Only if the sniffs or x-rays alert the airline to a
> > > > }possible danger should the package be opened.
> > > >
> > > > Oxygen canisters lack any such characteristic odors and x-ray
> > > > signatures.
> > >
> > > Which is what I adressed in the other part of my post.  My hunch is that
> > > someone at Sabre Tech knew that the oxygen canisters were illegal and
> > > dangerous as they were being loaded.  ValueJet was not notified of
> > > this.  Sabre Tech was ultimately the guilty party, but in a different
> > > airline where all cargo loading was handled by airline employees and not
> > > contracted employees of a different company this would not have
> > > occured.  This, in essence, is what I see as wrong with ValueJet (aka
> > > Air Tran).
> >
> > Good to see you backing off your original claim, which was WAY out of
> > line:
> 
> Oh but I do feel that ValueJet should have been hit alot harder with
> lawsuits.  Any corporation that contracts out parts of its
> infrastructure without adequate safety mechanisms in place (mechanisms
> to ensure that no illegal and potentially catastrophic cargo enters
> their planes for example) deserves to crash and burn in my opinion.

You keep saying this, but you offer no solutions. Should airlines open
every single package loaded onto their aircraft?

> Those safety mechanisms, which one can only pray were instituted about
> the time ValueJet changed its name to Air Tran, were sorely missing, and
> caused the death of PEOPLE.

What safety mechanisms could ValueJet have put into place that would
have prevented those oxygen canisters from being loaded?

> And let me note: "safety mechanisms" are logistical methods to ensure
> safety, not technological ones.  In usenet arguments one has to put
> explanations like this in because people so often pretend to
> misunderstand in order to further their own purposes.

All well and good, but precisely what mechanisms?

> > > > You know, just this evening I heard a Value Jet (aka Air Tran) ad on TV,
> > > > touting how cheap it was to fly with them.  I immediately though "yep,
> > > > amazing how saving a few dollars on aircraft maintenace can cut ticket
> > > > prices".  They're doing it again; another few hundred people will be
> > > > killed by Value Jet in a few months.


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From: Lou Minatti� <louminatti@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Correcting a misconception about Air Tran
Date: 2000/09/21
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