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On 2007-06-30 07:55:10 -0400, Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> said:

> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:51:58 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2007-06-29 22:13:56 -0400, Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> said:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:16:28 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2007-06-28 03:11:57 -0400, Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> said:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm sure if you stir enough of your muslim hate around, you'll be able
>>>>> to defeat America in Iraq.
>>>> 
>>>> You cant blame the Muslims for hating us.
>>> 
>>> LOL, don't let Mike see you not blame those that are guilty.
>>> 
>>> With things like the Militant Mickey Mouse, you are thinking muslims
>>> are somehow just in there hate spewing (aka this thread)?
>>> 
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli-Palestinian_conflict#Indoctrinating_Children


Britan

and 
>>> 
>>>> America have been fucking them
>>>> over for hundreds of years, and now they are fighting back.
>>>> 
>>>> God Bless America doesn't mean shit anymore.
>> 
>> 
>> How about Bush & Co lying to the world to start a war just for profits sake?
> 
> 
> And what lie would that be?
> 
> {Yes, I know slim has NO CLUE what a lie is, but let's see what he
> "thinks" a lie is}
> 
> Post the lie, imbecile.

There are so many of them....

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/07/22_lies.html

Let start with these ten...

Ten Appalling Lies We Were Told About Iraq
By Christopher Scheer, AlterNet
Posted on June 27, 2003, Printed on June 30, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/16274/

"The Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the 
world with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic weapons."
-- George Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in a speech in Cincinnati.

There is a small somber box that appears in the New York Times every 
day. Titled simply "Killed in Iraq," it lists the names and military 
affiliations of those who most recently died on tour of duty. 
Wednesday's edition listed just one name: Orenthial J. Smith, age 21, 
of Allendale, South Carolina.

The young, late O.J. Smith was almost certainly named after the 
legendary running back, Orenthal J. Simpson, before that dashing 
American hero was charged for a double-murder. Now his namesake has 
died in far-off Mesopotamia in a noble mission to, as our president put 
it on March 19, "disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the 
world from grave danger."

Today, more than three months after Bush's stirring declaration of war 
and nearly two months since he declared victory, no chemical, 
biological or nuclear weapons have been found, nor any documentation of 
their existence, nor any sign they were deployed in the field.

The mainstream press, after an astonishing two years of cowardice, is 
belatedly drawing attention to the unconscionable level of 
administrative deception. They seem surprised to find that when it 
comes to Iraq, the Bush administration isn't prone to the occasional 
lie of expediency but, in fact, almost never told the truth.

What follows are just the most outrageous and significant of the dozens 
of outright lies uttered by Bush and his top officials over the past 
year in what amounts to a systematic campaign to scare the bejeezus out 
of everybody:

LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear 
weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength 
aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which 
are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." -- President Bush, 
Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.

FACT: This story, leaked to and breathlessly reported by Judith Miller 
in the New York Times, has turned out to be complete baloney. 
Department of Energy officials, who monitor nuclear plants, say the 
tubes could not be used for enriching uranium. One intelligence 
analyst, who was part of the tubes investigation, angrily told The New 
Republic: "You had senior American officials like Condoleezza Rice 
saying the only use of this aluminum really is uranium centrifuges. She 
said that on television. And that's just a lie."

LIE #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein 
recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- 
President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.

FACT: This whopper was based on a document that the White House already 
knew to be a forgery thanks to the CIA. Sold to Italian intelligence by 
some hustler, the document carried the signature of an official who had 
been out of office for 10 years and referenced a constitution that was 
no longer in effect. The ex-ambassador who the CIA sent to check out 
the story is pissed: "They knew the Niger story was a flat-out lie," he 
told the New Republic, anonymously. "They [the White House] were 
unpersuasive about aluminum tubes and added this to make their case 
more strongly."

LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear 
weapons." -- Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the 
Press."

FACT: There was and is absolutely zero basis for this statement. CIA 
reports up through 2002 showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons 
program.

LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts 
between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." -- CIA Director George 
Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that 
evening's speech by President Bush.

FACT: Intelligence agencies knew of tentative contacts between Saddam 
and al-Qaeda in the early '90s, but found no proof of a continuing 
relationship. In other words, by tweaking language, Tenet and Bush spun 
the intelligence180 degrees to say exactly the opposite of what it 
suggested.

LIE #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in 
bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists 
could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any 
fingerprints." -- President Bush, Oct. 7.

FACT: No evidence of this has ever been leaked or produced. Colin 
Powell told the U.N. this alleged training took place in a camp in 
northern Iraq. To his great embarrassment, the area he indicated was 
later revealed to be outside Iraq's control and patrolled by Allied war 
planes.

LIE #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a 
growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used 
to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are 
concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs [unmanned 
aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States." -- 
President Bush, Oct. 7.

FACT: Said drones can't fly more than 300 miles, and Iraq is 6,000 
miles from the U.S. coastline. Furthermore, Iraq's drone-building 
program wasn't much more advanced than your average model plane 
enthusiast. And isn't a "manned aerial vehicle" just a scary way to say 
"plane"?

LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have 
chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and 
that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and 
control arrangements have been established." -- President Bush, Feb. 8, 
2003, in a national radio address.

FACT: Despite a massive nationwide search by U.S. and British forces, 
there are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being 
deployed in the field, or anywhere else during the war.

LIE #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile 
of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough 
to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets." -- Secretary of State Colin 
Powell, Feb. 5 2003, in remarks to the UN Security Council.

FACT: Putting aside the glaring fact that not one drop of this massive 
stockpile has been found, as previously reported on AlterNet the United 
States' own intelligence reports show that these stocks -- if they 
existed -- were well past their use-by date and therefore useless as 
weapon fodder.

LIE #9: "We know where [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around 
Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat." -- 
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003, in statements to 
the press.

FACT: Needless to say, no such weapons were found, not to the east, 
west, south or north, somewhat or otherwise.

LIE #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN 
prohibited." -- President Bush in remarks in Poland, published 
internationally June 1, 2003.

FACT: This was reference to the discovery of two modified truck 
trailers that the CIA claimed were potential mobile biological weapons 
lab. But British and American experts -- including the State 
Department's intelligence wing in a report released this week -- have 
since declared this to be untrue. According to the British, and much to 
Prime Minister Tony Blair's embarrassment, the trailers are actually 
exactly what Iraq said they were; facilities to fill weather balloons, 
sold to them by the British themselves.

So, months after the war, we are once again where we started -- with 
plenty of rhetoric and absolutely no proof of this "grave danger" for 
which O.J. Smith died. The Bush administration is now scrambling to 
place the blame for its lies on faulty intelligence, when in fact the 
intelligence was fine; it was their abuse of it that was "faulty."

Rather than apologize for leading us to a preemptive war based on 
impossibly faulty or shamelessly distorted "intelligence" or offering 
his resignation, our sly madman in the White House is starting to sound 
more like that other O.J. Like the man who cheerfully played golf while 
promising to pursue "the real killers," Bush is now vowing to search 
for "the true extent of Saddam Hussein's weapons programs, no matter 
how long it takes."

On the terrible day of the 9/11 attacks, five hours after a hijacked 
plane slammed into the Pentagon, retired Gen. Wesley Clark received a 
strange call from someone (he didn't name names) representing the White 
House position: "I was on CNN, and I got a call at my home saying, 'You 
got to say this is connected. This is state-sponsored terrorism. This 
has to be connected to Saddam Hussein,'" Clark told Meet the Press 
anchor Tim Russert. "I said, 'But -- I'm willing to say it, but what's 
your evidence?' And I never got any evidence.'"

And neither did we.


� 2007 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/16274/


-- 
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in 
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after 
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it 
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a 
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist 
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to 
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL 
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of 
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY 
COUNTRY."
�
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials