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On 2007-06-30 16:22:27 -0400, Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> said:

> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:28:52 -0700, "LarryG@Yahuu.com"
> <larryg_uu@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Jun 30, 6:52 am, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:58:34 -0700, "Lar...@Yahuu.com"
>>> 
>>> <larryg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jun 29, 11:23 pm, Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote:
>>>>> (2:20 in) Proponents of radical Islam (islamofasicsts) believe that
>>>>> the west is engaged in a *conspiracy* to subjugate Islam.
>>> 
>>>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6331994107023396223&q=obsess...
>>> 
>>>> [Yawn]  Kind of lame for a conspiracy theory.  This is the same
>>>> old fear mongering perpetuated by the real masters of public
>>>> opinion manipulation.  Consider their other greatest hits:
>>> 
>>>> - Saddaam has Weapons of Mass Destruction
>>> 
>>> You meant "had" WMDs. Everyone and their dog knew that.
>> 
>> No evidence (outside of administration propaganda) was ever
>> presented to show WMD's existed.  Perhaps Santa and the Easter
>> Bunny conspired with Saddaam to hide them in Never-Never Land.
>> 
>> Yes, folks.  Mike Smith is really that gullible.
> 
> The Chairman knocked your dumbassed dick in the dirt on that one...
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> - Anyone labelled as an "enemy combatant" is too dangerous to
>>>> have the rights of counsel, to know the charges against them,
>>>> to be tried in a court, to face their accuser, etc.
>>> 
>>> By definition, they do not have access to our legal system. {Think
>>> "Spies"}
>> 
>> So much for everyone's civil rights, and the pressumption of
>> innocence.  IIRC, trials of spies are publicly held in civilian
>> criminal courts, not military tribunals.  Check your history.
> 
> So you are defending the al qaeda... Why am I NOT surprised...

So beinbg an American means supporting the suspension of, and
blatant disregard for American civil rights, the presumption of
innocence and having access to counsel? How about being held
without charges and torture?

These are the tools of Facism, these are the tools of the Bush
Administration.



-- 
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in 
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after 
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it 
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a 
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist 
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to 
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL 
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of 
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY 
COUNTRY."
�
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials